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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: aramis on June 05, 2020, 01:09:44 PM
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Hi, apologies if this has been asked before, did a search but couldn't find any posting on this subject.
May I know besides AD, where else can I get a watch authenticated? Can I get such service from those preowned watch reseller shops? And normally how much will it cost?
Thanks
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Can try Times Sq, level 6. If yours is a common branded watches.
Be prepared to pay rm150 up or more. The sifus will open up the watch case and explained It’s authenticity and also let you takes pics of the movement.
For the season sifus, they will know it’s authenticity once they get to handle & feel your watches. Just to be 100% sure, they need to open up the back case.
But nowadays, nothing can be cxxksure where even the movements looks authentic. And this is where the expertises of the Sifus comes in..
Once we had a Cartier. Everything look alright except 1 tiny error...
Again, we have had our fair share of stories to tell, if you have the time....
dc
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Can try Times Sq, level 6. If yours is a common branded watches.
Be prepared to pay rm150 up or more. The sifus will open up the watch case and explained It’s authenticity and also let you takes pics of the movement.
For the season sifus, they will know it’s authenticity once they get to handle & feel your watches. Just to be 100% sure, they need to open up the back case.
But nowadays, nothing can be cxxksure where even the movements looks authentic. And this is where the expertises of the Sifus comes in..
Once we had a Cartier. Everything look alright except 1 tiny error...
Again, we have had our fair share of stories to tell, if you have the time....
dc
Thank you so much for reply. :)
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I presume it can also be done at Amcorp mall as I heard there are good shops there?
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I presume it can also be done at Amcorp mall as I heard there are good shops there?
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Sure can do.
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Thx again for the quick reply.
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bro..
DC is one of the old guards here..
he has given you some hints..
go Times Square L6 and look..
sometimes it's not as simple as hand over watch, inspect and report, pay bill, leave shop all in 10 mins....
p/s.. he doesn't want to advertise here (hint again)
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bro..
DC is one of the old guards here..
he has given you some hints..
go Times Square L6 and look..
sometimes it's not as simple as hand over watch, inspect and report, pay bill, leave shop all in 10 mins....
p/s.. he doesn't want to advertise here (hint again)
Got it. Thx. ;)
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Does the rolex sc still does authentication?
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Does the rolex sc still does authentication?
I don't think you could call it authentication...
Maybe you suspect the watch to be running fast or slow, then bring it to them and ask them to check if it needs calibration. I'm not sure if they will charge you if you decide not to have the watch serviced if that is their recommendation after checking the watch.
If they return the watch to you with a report, then you could be certain the watch is authentic.
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Does the rolex sc still does authentication?
I don't think you could call it authentication...
Maybe you suspect the watch to be running fast or slow, then bring it to them and ask them to check if it needs calibration. I'm not sure if they will charge you if you decide not to have the watch serviced if that is their recommendation after checking the watch.
If they return the watch to you with a report, then you could be certain the watch is authentic.
I heard they will confiscate it if found to be fake. Is it true?
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Does the rolex sc still does authentication?
I don't think you could call it authentication...
Maybe you suspect the watch to be running fast or slow, then bring it to them and ask them to check if it needs calibration. I'm not sure if they will charge you if you decide not to have the watch serviced if that is their recommendation after checking the watch.
If they return the watch to you with a report, then you could be certain the watch is authentic.
I heard they will confiscate it if found to be fake. Is it true?
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That's the rumor but I don't think anybody here has experienced that first hand. Also heard they will refuse to work on franken watches like 3rd party dials and bezels.
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Does the rolex sc still does authentication?
I don't think you could call it authentication...
Maybe you suspect the watch to be running fast or slow, then bring it to them and ask them to check if it needs calibration. I'm not sure if they will charge you if you decide not to have the watch serviced if that is their recommendation after checking the watch.
If they return the watch to you with a report, then you could be certain the watch is authentic.
I heard they will confiscate it if found to be fake. Is it true?
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That's just stealing isn't it
I'll be extremely surprised if they do it. I would like to know, under which Malaysian law did they get the power to confiscate watches
We're not in primary schools, and they are not teachers. I highly doubt they can randomly confiscate your belonging
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May
Be not here I guess. Read it somewhere, I think from other countries. Laws are different maybe. :)
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Does the rolex sc still does authentication?
I don't think you could call it authentication...
Maybe you suspect the watch to be running fast or slow, then bring it to them and ask them to check if it needs calibration. I'm not sure if they will charge you if you decide not to have the watch serviced if that is their recommendation after checking the watch.
If they return the watch to you with a report, then you could be certain the watch is authentic.
I heard they will confiscate it if found to be fake. Is it true?
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That's just stealing isn't it
I'll be extremely surprised if they do it. I would like to know, under which Malaysian law did they get the power to confiscate watches
We're not in primary schools, and they are not teachers. I highly doubt they can randomly confiscate your belonging
Please buy AAA grade one and bring to service centre and see what happens??
Probably they use the same rule govt use to confiscate fake LV bags and Nike shoes. IP infringement.
Maybe we are in primary schools eh?
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Depending whom you deal with at the RSC.
Overall, they will return your watch watch if they have a reason/s to suspect the watch had been tempered with.
Eg, funny serial / fonts, franken watch, etc.
I believe they have the data base and rights to retain watches if the Model / Serial no. are reported stolen by the local authorities.
Reputated grey dealers will honour their wares with 100% refund if (your Rollie) found to be "not right" or not acceptable in any sense by the RSC.
dc
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You can also do so at Subang Empire, Dekairos. The owner Andy is very friendly.
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Does the rolex sc still does authentication?
I don't think you could call it authentication...
Maybe you suspect the watch to be running fast or slow, then bring it to them and ask them to check if it needs calibration. I'm not sure if they will charge you if you decide not to have the watch serviced if that is their recommendation after checking the watch.
If they return the watch to you with a report, then you could be certain the watch is authentic.
I heard they will confiscate it if found to be fake. Is it true?
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That's just stealing isn't it
I'll be extremely surprised if they do it. I would like to know, under which Malaysian law did they get the power to confiscate watches
We're not in primary schools, and they are not teachers. I highly doubt they can randomly confiscate your belonging
Please buy AAA grade one and bring to service centre and see what happens??
Probably they use the same rule govt use to confiscate fake LV bags and Nike shoes. IP infringement.
Maybe we are in primary schools eh?
They will refuse to service or do whatever work it is you wanted them to do on it in the first place
Even when the government wants to confiscate your fake LVs or Nikes, it has to be done by the right authorities
It's no different from when you randomly park your car - the traffic police and the bandaraya have the power to saman you, but for the bomba or kastam, for example, very much less so
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Going back to the topic of authenticating watches, I need some help
I'm contemplating buying a pre-owned watched right now
Problem is, the watch comes without box and papers, and the seller is based in a different state
Yes, I know the adage is to buy the seller, but in this particular situation, the seller comes across to me as neutral, he's neither particularly suspicious nor trustworthy - he's just one of those random sellers posting on FB, and he of course claims that his watch is 100% authentic
So, does anyone have any tips or advise on how to avoid buying a fake watch in this kind situation?
Or is buying from a random seller on FB strictly a big no no?
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The thing is even if you can view the watch personally, you might not be able to tell whether it is real or fake, unless you are very familiar with the brand or model. So to buy from private seller from FB without seeing the actual watch, the risk is definitely high.
But also depends on the actual value of the watch. if the value is not high, then maybe you can give it a shot.
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The thing is even if you can view the watch personally, you might not be able to tell whether it is real or fake, unless you are very familiar with the brand or model. So to buy from private seller from FB without seeing the actual watch, the risk is definitely high.
But also depends on the actual value of the watch. if the value is not high, then maybe you can give it a shot.
True, seems like there's really no way to tell
The pre-owned market really feels like the wild wild west
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Ok, so I've given this some thought
Perhaps when we are dealing with someone over the internet who's in a different state, we could tell them to send the watch to the service centre to be serviced, at our cost
Yes, this will incur some extra cost for us, but it seems to be the most foolproof way to authenticate the watch
If the seller is unwilling/unable to bring the watch to be serviced by the service centre, even when we offer to pay for it, I'd say that's a pretty huge red flag
The only legitimate reason I can think of for the seller to be reluctant to do this is if he considers the possibility that we aren't serious about buying the watch and change our mind after he got it serviced, therefore ending up wasting his time and money
What do you guys think?
I mean, overall this sounds like the easiest/best way to authenticate pre-owned watches, yet it is not a common practice. Is there something that I am missing?
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If I'm the seller, I might be reluctant to do so unless the buyer deposit the cost to send the watch to the service centre to me first. There is a possibility that the buyer might back out after I sent the watch to service (as you had mentioned), and I'm left to pay the bill. Bear in mind that certain brand's servicing is not cheap.
Maybe what you can do is nego with him send the watch to any reputable luxurious watch repair centre in his state, and ask the guy to open the back case and authenticate the watch. Most will just charge RM100 - RM150 to do that. Take photo of the watch movement or video the process to you. But of course, you have to deposit the authentication fee to him first.
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If I'm the seller, I might be reluctant to do so unless the buyer deposit the cost to send the watch to the service centre to me first. There is a possibility that the buyer might back out after I sent the watch to service (as you had mentioned), and I'm left to pay the bill. Bear in mind that certain brand's servicing is not cheap.
Maybe what you can do is nego with him send the watch to any reputable luxurious watch repair centre in his state, and ask the guy to open the back case and authenticate the watch. Most will just charge RM100 - RM150 to do that. Take photo of the watch movement or video the process to you. But of course, you have to deposit the authentication fee to him first.
Yea, sounds like a plan
If it's Rm100/150 to authenticate the watch then it's reasonable, I'll just think of it as paying Rm100/150 as insurance against buying a replica, very worth it
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Actually what watch model are you looking at from the FB? Care to share? Maybe we have some experts here with in-dept knowledge regarding that model :)
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I think it depends on which state the seller is from. Not all states have service centres for some watch brands. Talking about shipping a watch all the way to the service centre in KL and risk it being lost in the process? I dont think I would do so as a seller.
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Normally how long does it take to authenticate a watch?
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I have an interesting experience buying a watch from Chrono24.
The dealer guarantee the watch is genuine and Chrono24 has an escrow account to protect the buyer. So I placed the order. Upon receiving the watch, the serial number did not seem right. I brought the watch to the brand official service center for an authenticity check for RM50. Result came back to be not authentic. I contacted Chrono24 with the result. Chrono24 contacted the dealer to arrange for return but the dealer decided not to respond to any message.
Few days later, Chrono24 refund 100% of my money and I get to keep the AAA gred replica to play with :Laughing_on_floor:
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Does the rolex sc still does authentication?
I don't think you could call it authentication...
Maybe you suspect the watch to be running fast or slow, then bring it to them and ask them to check if it needs calibration. I'm not sure if they will charge you if you decide not to have the watch serviced if that is their recommendation after checking the watch.
If they return the watch to you with a report, then you could be certain the watch is authentic.
I heard they will confiscate it if found to be fake. Is it true?
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That's the rumor but I don't think anybody here has experienced that first hand. Also heard they will refuse to work on franken watches like 3rd party dials and bezels.
My experience on this back in 2016. I think Rolex was still doing authentication then. I sent in my watch that I just bought pre-owned. The shop already warned me that the crystal seems like non ori to them. Bezel was also semi wrecked. Everything was ok. Hence they gave me a good price. I took the watch to Rolex for service and change parts. Rolex was willing to do it i.e. replace the crystal and bezel to original parts. Rolex also called me to confirm that the crystal was not Ori, hence they'll change it to maintain the water proofing integrity. They also didn't polish the watch per my instructions not to.
On the day I went to collect my watch, another man brought in a watch for authentication. The service counter lady checked it out first then flat out told him his watch is a fake. Man was stunned but still insisted to have the technician check it out. Lady told him, once open back case cover he'll be charged RMxxx (forgot how much). Man insisted. 1 minute later, technician told him fake. Gave it back to him, he still was asked to pay RMxxx
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Actually what watch model are you looking at from the FB? Care to share? Maybe we have some experts here with in-dept knowledge regarding that model :)
Oh there are a few pieces I am looking at right now
There's a Tudor 1926, there's an Oris Aquis Date, and a Maurice Lacroix Masterpiece Grand Guichet
The Tudor and the Maurice Lacroix are the ones that do not come in a full set. The Oris comes with the full set, so that one seems safe (although some people say replica watch makers can now even make replica box and papers :-[)
These are all FB sellers, two of them are from a different state than me
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I have an interesting experience buying a watch from Chrono24.
The dealer guarantee the watch is genuine and Chrono24 has an escrow account to protect the buyer. So I placed the order. Upon receiving the watch, the serial number did not seem right. I brought the watch to the brand official service center for an authenticity check for RM50. Result came back to be not authentic. I contacted Chrono24 with the result. Chrono24 contacted the dealer to arrange for return but the dealer decided not to respond to any message.
Few days later, Chrono24 refund 100% of my money and I get to keep the AAA gred replica to play with :Laughing_on_floor:
Oh that's good to hear, good on Chrono24 for protecting their buyers
What about the shipping of the watch? Did you have to go collect from kastam and pay taxes on it?
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Does the rolex sc still does authentication?
I don't think you could call it authentication...
Maybe you suspect the watch to be running fast or slow, then bring it to them and ask them to check if it needs calibration. I'm not sure if they will charge you if you decide not to have the watch serviced if that is their recommendation after checking the watch.
If they return the watch to you with a report, then you could be certain the watch is authentic.
I heard they will confiscate it if found to be fake. Is it true?
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That's the rumor but I don't think anybody here has experienced that first hand. Also heard they will refuse to work on franken watches like 3rd party dials and bezels.
My experience on this back in 2016. I think Rolex was still doing authentication then. I sent in my watch that I just bought pre-owned. The shop already warned me that the crystal seems like non ori to them. Bezel was also semi wrecked. Everything was ok. Hence they gave me a good price. I took the watch to Rolex for service and change parts. Rolex was willing to do it i.e. replace the crystal and bezel to original parts. Rolex also called me to confirm that the crystal was not Ori, hence they'll change it to maintain the water proofing integrity. They also didn't polish the watch per my instructions not to.
On the day I went to collect my watch, another man brought in a watch for authentication. The service counter lady checked it out first then flat out told him his watch is a fake. Man was stunned but still insisted to have the technician check it out. Lady told him, once open back case cover he'll be charged RMxxx (forgot how much). Man insisted. 1 minute later, technician told him fake. Gave it back to him, he still was asked to pay RMxxx
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Yea, that's good to hear
It just seem highly unlikely they will/can confiscate your watch
I think the worst thing that can happen to you if you bring a fake into the service centre is having your ego bruised when they tell you your watch is a fake, that and the damage to your wallet when you pay for the authentication
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I think it depends on which state the seller is from. Not all states have service centres for some watch brands. Talking about shipping a watch all the way to the service centre in KL and risk it being lost in the process? I dont think I would do so as a seller.
Yea, that's another thing, even if you're convinced the watch is genuine, there're still other potential problems when you deal over the internet
I mean, the seller can just refuse to ship it to you once you banked in, for example
Maybe get them to deal through Shopee or Lazada or something, although I'm not sure how good Shopee and Lazada are at protecting their buyers when something goes wrong
But of course even if Shopee and Lazada are able to protect the buyer, they're naturally going to take a cut from the sale, and it is unlikely the seller will absorb it, so he'll simply mark up the price of the watch to pass the cost on to you
Then again, if it isn't much, it's still worth it if Shopee or Lazada can offer good buyer protection