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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: zameenzahari on January 17, 2011, 03:12:20 PM
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http://2011.panerai.com/
I am drooling crazy over the PAM372 Fiddy Base and the 382 Bronze Sub!! Mad mad year for Panerai...too many models that I like!! :Startled: :Startled: :Startled: :Startled: :Startled:
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Hi....I'm drooling too!!! My top choice will be the 372 and 375 composite...
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Links to official brand sites allowed. ;D
The one i like is the PAM375
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2533 remake PAM373 :thumbsup:
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Good nobody eyeing the PAM00368 destro...... ::)
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Good nobody eyeing the PAM00368 destro...... ::)
Good?!? hahahah!!!!
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Good nobody eyeing the PAM00368 destro...... ::)
You should go to Paneristi, 372 & 368 are lighting up like it's 4th of July..
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Argghh... i can't access paneristi... start saving!!!! more to buy!!!
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PAM 372 is the one to watch out for..
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The 382 Bronze is so sexy.....I like
It might change to green one day due to oxidation? just like the Statue of Liberty
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Good nobody eyeing the PAM00368 destro...... ::)
You should go to Paneristi, 372 & 368 are lighting up like it's 4th of July..
Hahahaha don't I know. Oh well. :-[ Let's see how this impact the demand for the PAM00413 here locally. I figure many will get it and flip to fund for the PAM00372.
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i like the 386...now i think i may sell my 88 and top up $...only hope is that it won't cost a bomb...
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i like the 386...now i think i may sell my 88 and top up $...only hope is that it won't cost a bomb...
The 386 should be in the region of USD9-10k...
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Would like to hear expert opinions on the use of Plexiglas vs Corundum for the crystal... 372 (Plexiglas) and 375 (Corundum)...
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Would like to hear expert opinions on the use of Plexiglas vs Corundum for the crystal... 372 (Plexiglas) and 375 (Corundum)...
Plexiglas is a trade name. It is acrylic, hence man-made. Corundum is a clear mineral, natural and very hard. Most if not all (except the cali) Panerai has corundum crystal fitted. Looks like the 372 will follow the Cali with acrylic. Wonder if it comes with a spare like the cali.
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Just got the estimate prices for the watches. All those that I like, 372,386,373,375 and 368, are beyond me. Sigh!!!!!
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Panerai watches in my opinion are getting saturated??!!!
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if what they say is correct the fiddy base is $10k USD.
my god, OP would be printing money for that kinda price.
why can't they make it a bittttt cheaper
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hmmm bronze? so does that mean Panerai are running out of ideas and are copying their poor cousin Anonimo? :Laughing_on_floor:
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Panerai watches in my opinion are getting saturated??!!!
Agree to a certain point. The new prices does not reflect the origin of the watch as tool or military use watches. Can't see people actually using the watches as a tool watch. While it is nice, great in fact to see the 1950 case make it into the historic collection (which I collect, if you can call it a collection), but at what price point?
I do like the brand, having gotten my first one back in 1999 and joining the band-wagon (paneristi) when they first came about under Guy. Sadly I do feel that they seem to be a tad lost (flame suit on :) ).
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Panerai watches in my opinion are getting saturated??!!!
Agree to a certain point. The new prices does not reflect the origin of the watch as tool or military use watches. Can't see people actually using the watches as a tool watch. While it is nice, great in fact to see the 1950 case make it into the historic collection (which I collect, if you can call it a collection), but at what price point?
I do like the brand, having gotten my first one back in 1999 and joining the band-wagon (paneristi) when they first came about under Guy. Sadly I do feel that they seem to be a tad lost (flame suit on :) ).
i guess richmont group trying to cash in from the hype of panerai watches (the history, the bombing of other ship etc) I do like it but the price make me stand away from it :-[
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luminor 1950
steel case, 2 gold hands, vintage lume.......
my favorite definitely
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PAM 386 how much? Looks quite nice,i like that
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PAM 386 how much? Looks quite nice,i like that
Should be around USD9k
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Sorry to say for me PAM ran out of ideas long ago since they only have few case to play with.
Unlike the AP ROO which is the same story but at least they can play around with more colors.
I wonder will there be a day when we see a PAM with vibrant colors?
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Panerai watches in my opinion are getting saturated??!!!
Agree to a certain point. The new prices does not reflect the origin of the watch as tool or military use watches. Can't see people actually using the watches as a tool watch. While it is nice, great in fact to see the 1950 case make it into the historic collection (which I collect, if you can call it a collection), but at what price point?
I do like the brand, having gotten my first one back in 1999 and joining the band-wagon (paneristi) when they first came about under Guy. Sadly I do feel that they seem to be a tad lost (flame suit on :) ).
I too agree...
My brother in law wears one. I have tried it on before but it doesn't sing to me.
Paneristis always tell me you either get it or u don't, so I guess i don't get it ???
Alot of WIS tells me that at this moment, Panerai watches are the only watch worth dropping serious money on...
I dun really see where the appeal is FOR ME. ::)
I see alot of passionate paneristis here which can only mean that they must be doing something right... ;D
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Better get "Ah Fok" then since its so limited. :Laughing_on_floor:
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Estimated price for the new models (price in USD) for reference:
PAM371 SE - 11,600
PAM379 SE - ???
PAM376 SE - 27,800
PAM369 Contemporary - 7,200
PAM356 Contemporary -8,700
PAM380 Historic - 4,400
PAM378 Historic - ???
PAM345 SE - 21,800 (150units)
PAM384 Historic LE - 14,700 (500 units)
PAM382 SE - 10,100 (1000units)
PAM375 SE - 11,600 (numbered edition 2000pcs)
PAM368 SE - 15,800 (1000units)
PAM373 SE - 42,300 (199 numbered units)
PAM372 Historic - 10,100 (Unconfirmed)
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wahhahah that means i am doomed to forever wear historics wahhahahhahah :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
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hmm, from the price quoted for all new releases, it is very likely they will discont all the base models with unitas real soon.
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hmm, from the price quoted for all new releases, it is very likely they will discont all the base models with unitas real soon.
I'm not so sure of that... the P3000 movement is used on the 47mm casing. Until now, Panerai still does not hv the 44mm manual winding movement... so they will still need the ETA movement.
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wahhahah that means i am doomed to forever wear historics wahhahahhahah :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
Just like me, only historic model. Time to get the elusive destro I guess....
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hmm, from the price quoted for all new releases, it is very likely they will discont all the base models with unitas real soon.
I'm not so sure of that... the P3000 movement is used on the 47mm casing. Until now, Panerai still does not hv the 44mm manual winding movement... so they will still need the ETA movement.
thought New 42mm radiomir with pam handwind movement
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The P.3000 and the Unites 64XX are the same size at 11.5 ligne. The P.3000 is thicker by 0.8 mm at 5.3 mm. So it, P.3000 can technically be used on a standard 44 mm case.
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hmm, from the price quoted for all new releases, it is very likely they will discont all the base models with unitas real soon.
I'm not so sure of that... the P3000 movement is used on the 47mm casing. Until now, Panerai still does not hv the 44mm manual winding movement... so they will still need the ETA movement.
thought New 42mm radiomir with pam handwind movement
that's 42mm P999 movement...
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The P.3000 and the Unites 64XX are the same size at 11.5 ligne. The P.3000 is thicker by 0.8 mm at 5.3 mm. So it, P.3000 can technically be used on a standard 44 mm case.
Thanks for the info...
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wow 2011 new model all using bronze dunno will it turn dark after some time :Laughing_on_floor:
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wow 2011 new model all using bronze dunno will it turn dark after some time :Laughing_on_floor:
that is the desired effect... jsut like a titanium case oxidizing
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r u referring to PAM 380? it is using ETA 6497
hmm, from the price quoted for all new releases, it is very likely they will discont all the base models with unitas real soon.
I'm not so sure of that... the P3000 movement is used on the 47mm casing. Until now, Panerai still does not hv the 44mm manual winding movement... so they will still need the ETA movement.
thought New 42mm radiomir with pam handwind movement
that's 42mm P999 movement...
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...Just sharing some additional info on the much talked about PAM372 fiddy base. While it is not a SE, it will only be produced in 3000 pieces over a period of 2 years only..that's one Pam I think that going to be a massive hit ...now $10.1k US makes a little bit more sense...
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wow 2011 new model all using bronze dunno will it turn dark after some time :Laughing_on_floor:
that is the desired effect... jsut like a titanium case oxidizing
Exactly..that's the whole point of using bronze on the 382 Bronzo. each piece will be unique with individual "patina" depending on how it was used and even skin chemistry of the owner. Now not only ur dial and straps will patina, your case can too!! Btw, bronze has been experimented with during the pre-V days and those engineer at GPF (original Panerai ) took what they knew with them with Dino Zei to Anonimo... So, not exactly the case of Panerai taking the cue from their "cousin" but rather reviving old Panerai ideas...
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Pams are thumbing up their noses and going elitist IMHO. a "simple inhouse" movement costing more than 10k?! that is really over the board! and the movement does not even have a quick set date!! starts changing date at 10?!
as much as i love to get another PAM it jsut does not give the bang of the buck, like say a Rolex within the same price bracket.
10K is really moving towards a Daytona level?!
but having said that i do have a deep hankering for a PAM 98, 25 and 251.
just these prices does not really justify all that you are getting.
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Pams are thumbing up their noses and going elitist IMHO. a "simple inhouse" movement costing more than 10k?! that is really over the board! and the movement does not even have a quick set date!! starts changing date at 10?!
as much as i love to get another PAM it jsut does not give the bang of the buck, like say a Rolex within the same price bracket.
10K is really moving towards a Daytona level?!
but having said that i do have a deep hankering for a PAM 98, 25 and 251.
just these prices does not really justify all that you are getting.
..is there any luxury product out there that's worth the money? Its a luxury and not necessity..logic usually doesnt apply and perceived value is relative to each individual...
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Simple, supply vs demand.
Richemont clearly undertands the demand > supply and people is (still) craze for PAMs.
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Pams are thumbing up their noses and going elitist IMHO. a "simple inhouse" movement costing more than 10k?! that is really over the board!
Yeah, never understood this PAM thing, they all look the same to me :Laughing_on_floor:
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Pams are thumbing up their noses and going elitist IMHO. a "simple inhouse" movement costing more than 10k?! that is really over the board!
Yeah, never understood this PAM thing, they all look the same to me :Laughing_on_floor:
...I can totally relate like how all AP ROOs look the same to me :)
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one of the best quote with regards to the watch industry nowadays and not just Panerai alone. but i think they are milking the situation to it's worth right now
Taken from p.com from one of the posters
"Doing what's best for business January 18 2011, 8:59 PM
Richemont is in the Panerai business for money. If they see models like the 127 trading for several times their MSRP, then they see there is a potential cash flow to be tapped. When they see 'Ristis going gaga over Tritium-patina, they'll release the next best thing (since Tritium is obviously a no-go.)
Why would they sit back and say 'good for us, we made a model whose appeal was much greater than its production"?
I think the limited runs and the special editions exist to fuel collectors' mania and test models to see if they'll be successful in larger runs. They test the waters with a SE like the 127 and it does great in the second hand market. So they feel safe in releasing more models like it.
By keeping everything tight and limited, they ensure that people ignore the high price and instead think, "I need to buy this NOW!" instead of, "That's nice. I'll save up for it and get it in a few years on the used market for less money."
The 127 that sold for 6,000 and now sells for 26,000 has only ever directly made 6000 for Panerai.
Panerai will continue to tweak the supply and demand of their customers until the day it stops making money.
Now as for what I think about it: I think it's the behavior of a giant, soulless corporate entity and not a tiny Italian workshop company."
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one of the best quote with regards to the watch industry nowadays and not just Panerai alone. but i think they are milking the situation to it's worth right now
Taken from p.com from one of the posters
"Doing what's best for business January 18 2011, 8:59 PM
Richemont is in the Panerai business for money. If they see models like the 127 trading for several times their MSRP, then they see there is a potential cash flow to be tapped. When they see 'Ristis going gaga over Tritium-patina, they'll release the next best thing (since Tritium is obviously a no-go.)
Why would they sit back and say 'good for us, we made a model whose appeal was much greater than its production"?
I think the limited runs and the special editions exist to fuel collectors' mania and test models to see if they'll be successful in larger runs. They test the waters with a SE like the 127 and it does great in the second hand market. So they feel safe in releasing more models like it.
By keeping everything tight and limited, they ensure that people ignore the high price and instead think, "I need to buy this NOW!" instead of, "That's nice. I'll save up for it and get it in a few years on the used market for less money."
The 127 that sold for 6,000 and now sells for 26,000 has only ever directly made 6000 for Panerai.
Panerai will continue to tweak the supply and demand of their customers until the day it stops making money.
Now as for what I think about it: I think it's the behavior of a giant, soulless corporate entity and not a tiny Italian workshop company."
Hahahaha interesting view, which I sadly agree. As much as I like the brand, they seems to be less and less a tool watch. The watch I got back in 1999 is now double the price but no change to the movement, design etc. I remember a guy I know who bought a destro at an unbelievable price (pre-loved and without asking for a discount) and after buying asked the question "Eh, why the winding thing on the left side ah? can change to the correct side?"
The sad part is that I am craving for a PAM00024 or PAM00243 or even that PAM00115 that is being offered to me. SIGH... a sucker for punishment.
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one of the best quote with regards to the watch industry nowadays and not just Panerai alone. but i think they are milking the situation to it's worth right now
Taken from p.com from one of the posters
"Doing what's best for business January 18 2011, 8:59 PM
Richemont is in the Panerai business for money. If they see models like the 127 trading for several times their MSRP, then they see there is a potential cash flow to be tapped. When they see 'Ristis going gaga over Tritium-patina, they'll release the next best thing (since Tritium is obviously a no-go.)
Why would they sit back and say 'good for us, we made a model whose appeal was much greater than its production"?
I think the limited runs and the special editions exist to fuel collectors' mania and test models to see if they'll be successful in larger runs. They test the waters with a SE like the 127 and it does great in the second hand market. So they feel safe in releasing more models like it.
By keeping everything tight and limited, they ensure that people ignore the high price and instead think, "I need to buy this NOW!" instead of, "That's nice. I'll save up for it and get it in a few years on the used market for less money."
The 127 that sold for 6,000 and now sells for 26,000 has only ever directly made 6000 for Panerai.
Panerai will continue to tweak the supply and demand of their customers until the day it stops making money.
Now as for what I think about it: I think it's the behavior of a giant, soulless corporate entity and not a tiny Italian workshop company."
Hahahaha interesting view, which I sadly agree. As much as I like the brand, they seems to be less and less a tool watch. The watch I got back in 1999 is now double the price but no change to the movement, design etc. I remember a guy I know who bought a destro at an unbelievable price (pre-loved and without asking for a discount) and after buying asked the question "Eh, why the winding thing on the left side ah? can change to the correct side?"
The sad part is that I am craving for a PAM00024 or PAM00243 or even that PAM00115 that is being offered to me. SIGH... a sucker for punishment.
Rumour has it that the 243 will be discontinued soon...47 is the new 44 as they say..anyway, as of today, its still in the catalogue...
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I totally agreed with the opinion brought forward by terence.
2 sides of a coin. if i am the business man, i do what i must to make a sale. the more the merrier. OTH, if i was the buyer and i disagreed with the way his biz is done then i move on to other brands.
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Rumour has it that the 243 will be discontinued soon...47 is the new 44 as they say..anyway, as of today, its still in the catalogue...
Hahahaha no worries, no shortage of pre-loved models here in Taiwan. Even the fook (6 units at last count) are already in the pre-loved market.
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Rumour has it that the 243 will be discontinued soon...47 is the new 44 as they say..anyway, as of today, its still in the catalogue...
Hahahaha no worries, no shortage of pre-loved models here in Taiwan. Even the fook (6 units at last count) are already in the pre-loved market.
hey bro,
would it be possible to compile a list of pre-owned shops in taipei? would love to drop in the next time i am down there for a look. can't read chinese so i can;t really surf through taiwanese sites.
cheers :laugh:
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PM sent
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...Just sharing some additional info on the much talked about PAM372 fiddy base. While it is not a SE, it will only be produced in 3000 pieces over a period of 2 years only..that's one Pam I think that going to be a massive hit ...now $10.1k US makes a little bit more sense...
If it is going to be only 3000 pieces, drastic action is required. Time to put down our names with the AD/boutique.
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Wait. Let me remortage my house ;)
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Lots of shops selling pre-owned PAM in Taiwan?great,cos ill be going to taiwan this oct,and hopefully i manage to save up and buy my dream watch
HEhehe
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...Just sharing some additional info on the much talked about PAM372 fiddy base. While it is not a SE, it will only be produced in 3000 pieces over a period of 2 years only..that's one Pam I think that going to be a massive hit ...now $10.1k US makes a little bit more sense...
If it is going to be only 3000 pieces, drastic action is required. Time to put down our names with the AD/boutique.
The boutiques were flooded with calls the moment the SIHH models details were released. HK staff emails were on "out of office" mode. But I guess 2 days after, the craziness would have subsided somewhat. It would be a good idea to be on the list for sure for any model that u like (not just the 372)..
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Borrowed from net, this is the summarise chart for Panerai SIHH 2011 releases.
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s246/ongck77/PAM2011SIHH.jpg)
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seeing all these side by side...
i still thnk the very original pam design stands out
pam372, 373, 376...
however 372 & 373 come with precious case.... so left 372 really hv the historic spirit...
the rest is for $$$
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Borrowed from net, this is the summarise chart for Panerai SIHH 2011 releases.
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s246/ongck77/PAM2011SIHH.jpg)
I am Crediting Micah Dirksen & Paneristi.com for this
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I am Crediting Micah Dirksen & Paneristi.com for this
Thanks for stating the source :thumbsup:
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PAM372,looks awesome.Any idea how much it will cost?
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PAM372,looks awesome.Any idea how much it will cost?
There's a link in this thread to indicative pricing of SIHH 2011 models. 372 is tentatively priced at USD10.1k
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Would be interesting to see live pics of the 382.
My fav of the lot still remains at the 380 and 375.
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Would be interesting to see live pics of the 382.
My fav of the lot still remains at the 380 and 375.
Haagen posted some live pics of the 382 on Paneristi..you can check it there
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seems like alot pam's fans here oso. i personally like pam 373. simple and unique. so damn love it. too bad the listing price start from usd10k. = ="
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Erm... a noob question... do PAM come in smaller sizes like 42mm... 44-47 is like kinda big for my mini wrists...
If there's a 42, might check em out to see if it feels good. In house movement would be dandy IF there is one.
And bear in mind I am new to panerai... categorized in the "don't get it group" :HammerHead:
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Yup. The new radiomir series do have 42mm cases. Try to look at those and see if anything tickles your fancy. Maybe you will find one you like.
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40 mm also available...
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Huh? Really, if that's d case... might chk em out in Singapore end of this year when I'm there for holidays.
Any recommendations on what I should look out for?
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Erm... a noob question... do PAM come in smaller sizes like 42mm... 44-47 is like kinda big for my mini wrists...
If there's a 42, might check em out to see if it feels good. In house movement would be dandy IF there is one.
And bear in mind I am new to panerai... categorized in the "don't get it group" :HammerHead:
Hi Hanz,
I also have a small wrist (6-inch), and the 44mm wears good on my wrist. I suggest u try it on and have a feel of it before considering the smaller versions.
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Hi Hanz,
I also have a small wrist (6-inch), and the 44mm wears good on my wrist. I suggest u try it on and have a feel of it before considering the smaller versions.
Would you mind posting a wrist shot of your 44mm PAM? I always thought a 44mm PAM would look big for my wrist, but if it looks good on yours, maybe I can reconsider.
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Borrowed from net, this is the summarise chart for Panerai SIHH 2011 releases.
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s246/ongck77/PAM2011SIHH.jpg)
all the above is over USD10k
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Borrowed from net, this is the summarise chart for Panerai SIHH 2011 releases.
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s246/ongck77/PAM2011SIHH.jpg)
all the above is over USD10k
380 isn't!
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yeah and rumours the 372 will also be below USD 10k.
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yeah and rumours the 372 will also be below USD 10k.
I'm supprise when I heard over usd10k
stainless steel case, 2 hands, leather strap, handwind... More than usd10k is crazy...
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sadly not much below USD 10K. :'(
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when i booked mine through the boutique, i think they mentioned it not to be 10k usd$. even the european ADs indicated below that amount. but it will be very close.
pams are just getting too expensive now, making way for the vintage models to come back. pre-owns are now making more sense in many ways
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Make hay while the sun shines.....
Does not help when you have people with more money than sense.....
I know of a 'collector' who paid more for a preloved PAM00243 as compared to a new one. Why? Tritium dial. OK but at a 20% premium above retail? Sigh.....
but nothing beats paying USD 10k for a destro and ask why the crown on the wrong side and can change to make it correct.....
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yeah and rumours the 372 will also be below USD 10k.
shall wait n c. hong kong boutique say earliest to get the stock in june 2011
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Comparison between the 6152 and the new 372:
(http://www.vintagepanerai.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Rahmen_Bild_2011_SIHH1.jpg)
Check out here for more pics:
http://www.vintagepanerai.com/2011/01/24/comparing-61521-and-pam372/ (http://www.vintagepanerai.com/2011/01/24/comparing-61521-and-pam372/)
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when i booked mine through the boutique, i think they mentioned it not to be 10k usd$. even the european ADs indicated below that amount. but it will be very close.
pams are just getting too expensive now, making way for the vintage models to come back. pre-owns are now making more sense in many ways
Price indicated in SIHH is EUR 6900. 3000 will be produced this year and a second batch is planned.
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Make hay while the sun shines.....
Does not help when you have people with more money than sense.....
I know of a 'collector' who paid more for a preloved PAM00243 as compared to a new one. Why? Tritium dial. OK but at a 20% premium above retail? Sigh.....
but nothing beats paying USD 10k for a destro and ask why the crown on the wrong side and can change to make it correct.....
:Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: that guy are really Champion!!