Post by: ViiiLaix on August 23, 2017, 07:10:00 AM
I'm torn between a Y-Series Pepsi 16710 minty condition (fullset) versus the BLNR Batman.
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I had tried both on my wrist, the problem is, I'm not trying both of them at the same time. When I tried the Pepsi, it sings to me; while trying the Batman, it also sings to me as well. Of course, I can only choose one of them.
My heart told me to go with the Pepsi, as it's iconic & rich with history because it is the "Pepsi"
Also, I'm lusting for it since 2012 before getting into watches (that time I wore a Ben Sherman quartz), just a random walk into a shop in Berjaya Times Squre, saw this blue-red thingy watch, I already felt the charm of this watch. My heart told me to go with the Pepsi (and the price back then is just RM16000).
But, my logic told me with the new Batman, whereby now it comes with 5 years new warranty plus the bracelet is superior then the Pepsi - solid. Also, the price differences between these two is not really that much, just adding a little more I could get a brand new BLNR compared to the 14 years old Pepsi. Thus, batman is somewhat kinda rare to comeby models as well. Both this watches holds its value well.
Please kindly advice if you get only to choose one between these two.
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Post by: Meowy on August 23, 2017, 07:21:18 AM
If I were you and set my mind on a new one for either piece, I will walk into the AD/boutique, ask for both and see which one got stock.
Leave it to fate. ;)
Post by: Kesharoo on August 23, 2017, 08:26:08 AM
Post by: Danielo on August 23, 2017, 09:35:07 AM
When the blue/black was released, I loved it, but since then I felt that it has lost it's charm and is more of a novelty which opposes what I think a Rolex should be.
Post by: Equinox on August 23, 2017, 11:01:16 AM
What lead me to Batman is the newer model simply have more beef. It has more presence on wrist. And I'm also not really a big fan of the fading bezel. I'm sure I'll be happy 10 years down the road when the cerachrom bezel still looks as if it's new.
I still have my name queued in multiple ADs for the BLNR.
Anyway I'm sure u will enjoy the piece no matter which one u choose. Cheers!
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Post by: yehlai on August 23, 2017, 11:36:10 AM
Post by: dualcarb on August 23, 2017, 12:30:47 PM
Post by: chrisyen on August 23, 2017, 12:48:01 PM
Color matter? Then easy... see which color sing to u!
Otherwise, if just one watch to wear most of the time
Go for the newer GMT master ii
It's much much much better built
No heart pain for scratching ur bezel
And the new bracelet and buckle is one best in watch industry
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Post by: ViiiLaix on August 23, 2017, 06:36:54 PM
But for all the modern Rolexes nowadays with solid links, I'm confident it won't stretch and meant to be worn for a very long long time.
@chrisyen thanks for posting the picture for my use of comparison. If colours then it's Pepsi, if more on solidness definitely the batman wins, but Batman is definitely hard to hunt one down.
Post by: roystock on August 23, 2017, 07:43:19 PM
I also like my Pepsi, but I am not comfortable to bring it into swimming pool, so batman wins
Post by: ViiiLaix on August 23, 2017, 08:54:30 PM
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Post by: psychokandy on August 23, 2017, 09:31:54 PM
Post by: psychokandy on August 23, 2017, 10:11:19 PM
@dualcarb I'm agree that it feels light and flimsy as its bracelet are still using hollow links instead the solid one like the ceramic gmts, this is also my concern as it will stretch from daily wear. As it already been worn for 14years, how much life span of this bracelet still left with?eventhough the 5 digit Rolex has hollow center link, if well taken care off, the bracelet won't stretch that much. i have seen my colleague's Sub Date 15 years old without any bracelet stretch.
But for all the modern Rolexes nowadays with solid links, I'm confident it won't stretch and meant to be worn for a very long long time.
@chrisyen thanks for posting the picture for my use of comparison. If colours then it's Pepsi, if more on solidness definitely the batman wins, but Batman is definitely hard to hunt one down.
Post by: pexus on August 23, 2017, 10:28:08 PM
the 16710? Possibility of swapping 3 bezels, coupled with oyster/jubilee bracelet makes it a very versatile watch. However, you will need to spend more $ and time to acquire these extras. Some people find the aluminium hue of pepsi/coke bezel more attractive, even when its faded...
its a tough choice.
If i have to pick one? 16710...not a t-dial 16710 or 16750...but the lumi- 16710, as a worry-free daily watch
Post by: dpkong on August 23, 2017, 11:27:44 PM
And stretch on the hollow bracelet is not a really big issue. Do try to get one with solid end links on the bracelet.
Post by: TheHobbit on August 24, 2017, 08:13:36 AM
Post by: D'Andy on August 24, 2017, 09:36:06 AM
I think that the Batman is a very versatile watch for the business traveller, and should wear well towards becoming a future classic. Having said that, the 16710 is a genuine classic today, and prices had been on an increasing trend over the years. If there was a 16710 available at a reasonable price, I would go for that piece first; since it is relatively harder to get that over the Batman (also hard to get, since well, we are talking about the elusive Batman lurking in the shadows after all ;D )
Post by: ViiiLaix on August 24, 2017, 10:54:26 AM
Some dealer quoted "You can get the watch immediately la, but also need to purchase the gold model like datejust." ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I think that the Batman is a very versatile watch for the business traveller, and should wear well towards becoming a future classic. Having said that, the 16710 is a genuine classic today, and prices had been on an increasing trend over the years. If there was a 16710 available at a reasonable price, I would go for that piece first; since it is relatively harder to get that over the Batman (also hard to get, since well, we are talking about the elusive Batman lurking in the shadows after all ;D )
Post by: ViiiLaix on August 24, 2017, 10:55:36 AM
Some people prefer the tool watch look of the 16710 and others the modern look of the Batman. Just like some prefer Rolex with lug holes while others do not. To me the 16710 is a classic and am sure the Batman will be a future classic as well. Both watches are great and you can't lose choosing either one. At the end of the day, its your wrist and it is you that the watch have to satisfy. What ever your choice, wear it with good health and do post some pics. :)
Definitely will post pics when I get either one of these. Still in dilemma, a tough choice :-\
Post by: ViiiLaix on August 24, 2017, 11:01:15 AM
The 16710 will be a lighter watch to wear. Without the polished centre links, you won't have to worry about daily beater use. I think the lugs are more proportionate compared to the fatter lugs of the new models. The blue/red hue on aluminum is nicer than that dull blue on ceramic.
And stretch on the hollow bracelet is not a really big issue. Do try to get one with solid end links on the bracelet.
I think that the bezel insert is nicer as well, as it is iconic. I just felt like 16710 is a humble and honest watch, makes the wearer kinda like easy-to-approach guy and it wouldn't scream that loud either.
I had one reserved is the Y series, with SEL, hollow bracelet and that lug holes adding more character. As I am so used to the weight of my 114060, when it tried the Pepsi, it feels so so so light. Perhaps it's just my feeling to question the quality (bracelet) of this watch.
Post by: dpkong on August 24, 2017, 11:04:36 AM
The 16710 will be a lighter watch to wear. Without the polished centre links, you won't have to worry about daily beater use. I think the lugs are more proportionate compared to the fatter lugs of the new models. The blue/red hue on aluminum is nicer than that dull blue on ceramic.
And stretch on the hollow bracelet is not a really big issue. Do try to get one with solid end links on the bracelet.
I think that the bezel insert is nicer as well, as it is iconic. I just felt like 16710 is a humble and honest watch, makes the wearer kinda like easy-to-approach guy and it wouldn't scream that loud either.
I had one reserved is the Y series, with SEL, hollow bracelet and that lug holes adding more character. As I am so used to the weight of my 114060, when it tried the Pepsi, it feels so so so light. Perhaps it's just my feeling to question the quality (bracelet) of this watch.
Rolex made a lot of watches using this bracelet design and it will last a lot longer than you or me.
Post by: TheHobbit on August 24, 2017, 11:15:39 AM
The 16710 will be a lighter watch to wear. Without the polished centre links, you won't have to worry about daily beater use. I think the lugs are more proportionate compared to the fatter lugs of the new models. The blue/red hue on aluminum is nicer than that dull blue on ceramic.
And stretch on the hollow bracelet is not a really big issue. Do try to get one with solid end links on the bracelet.
I think that the bezel insert is nicer as well, as it is iconic. I just felt like 16710 is a humble and honest watch, makes the wearer kinda like easy-to-approach guy and it wouldn't scream that loud either.
I had one reserved is the Y series, with SEL, hollow bracelet and that lug holes adding more character. As I am so used to the weight of my 114060, when it tried the Pepsi, it feels so so so light. Perhaps it's just my feeling to question the quality (bracelet) of this watch.
Its a common feeling when one moves from the modern 6 digit Rolex to trying the older 5 digit Rolex. :)
Post by: rururuss on August 24, 2017, 12:52:11 PM
Post by: D'Andy on August 24, 2017, 01:29:18 PM
I just felt like 16710 is a humble and honest watch, makes the wearer kinda like easy-to-approach guy and it wouldn't scream that loud either.
I know how you feel- I had the same feeling with the SD4k. Flipped that to get the SD43, then felt that the newer version had lost the essence of the traditional SD, especially with that Cyclops (although that red-liner was oh-so-attractive). It didn't help that I recently spotted a BNIB SD4k going for almost RM60k after conversion (too optimistic an asking price, I know), but am kicking myself for the flip. The 16710 is like the SD4k, in a way.
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Post by: pexus on August 24, 2017, 06:07:01 PM
The 16710 will be a lighter watch to wear. Without the polished centre links, you won't have to worry about daily beater use. I think the lugs are more proportionate compared to the fatter lugs of the new models. The blue/red hue on aluminum is nicer than that dull blue on ceramic.
And stretch on the hollow bracelet is not a really big issue. Do try to get one with solid end links on the bracelet.
I think that the bezel insert is nicer as well, as it is iconic. I just felt like 16710 is a humble and honest watch, makes the wearer kinda like easy-to-approach guy and it wouldn't scream that loud either.
I had one reserved is the Y series, with SEL, hollow bracelet and that lug holes adding more character. As I am so used to the weight of my 114060, when it tried the Pepsi, it feels so so so light. Perhaps it's just my feeling to question the quality (bracelet) of this watch.
the 5 digits bracelets are no slouch. Yes, you will feel a huge difference as compared to the present ones but they are still made to last.
Perhaps if you were to grab the 16710 now and then regret it, i think its still possible to do a u turn and flip it for a batman. A lot will depend on how much you are paying for it. A full set, 16710, SEL with lug holes should find a new home quite easily if present owner is not asking for the stratosphere. Ask for sky maybe still can find buyer.. ;D
But still safer to get it right the first time. ;D
Post by: ViiiLaix on August 24, 2017, 06:36:30 PM
I vote for batman because it is a technically better watch. Additionally, Since you brought up the fact that once upon a time ago u could hv purchased the Pepsi for 16k I think I personally would find it difficult to buy one now at the current price.
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This is also bother me as well. 5 years ago I could purchase it for 16K. Now, I have to pay more than double the price compared to 5 years ago. Crazy, the price inflated for 200% in 5 years; I could get the same watches for 2 pieces for the price I pay now if I bought it 5 years ago.
Of course this is not a very good way to think of that, BUT only this particular model increases in prices so much compared to its peers generation. (explorer 2 16750, 14060,16610 - exclude the 50th Ann)
Post by: ViiiLaix on August 24, 2017, 06:38:16 PM
At the end of the day, you'll be the one looking at the watch everyday. So you need to ask yourself which one do you want to see everyday. It's like choosing a wife. Someone you will see everyday. Hahaha
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I like your analogy. hahahaha. So, I got to treat it like finding a wife. Tough choices if both potential wife you also wanna see everyday :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
Post by: ViiiLaix on August 24, 2017, 06:46:04 PM
Actually this is not a bad idea at all. Will consider this, as for the Batman still need time to get one.The 16710 will be a lighter watch to wear. Without the polished centre links, you won't have to worry about daily beater use. I think the lugs are more proportionate compared to the fatter lugs of the new models. The blue/red hue on aluminum is nicer than that dull blue on ceramic.
And stretch on the hollow bracelet is not a really big issue. Do try to get one with solid end links on the bracelet.
I think that the bezel insert is nicer as well, as it is iconic. I just felt like 16710 is a humble and honest watch, makes the wearer kinda like easy-to-approach guy and it wouldn't scream that loud either.
I had one reserved is the Y series, with SEL, hollow bracelet and that lug holes adding more character. As I am so used to the weight of my 114060, when it tried the Pepsi, it feels so so so light. Perhaps it's just my feeling to question the quality (bracelet) of this watch.
the 5 digits bracelets are no slouch. Yes, you will feel a huge difference as compared to the present ones but they are still made to last.
Perhaps if you were to grab the 16710 now and then regret it, i think its still possible to do a u turn and flip it for a batman. A lot will depend on how much you are paying for it. A full set, 16710, SEL with lug holes should find a new home quite easily if present owner is not asking for the stratosphere. Ask for sky maybe still can find buyer.. ;D
But still safer to get it right the first time. ;D
But I think it will be just a little harder to sell; I believe new buyer will face a dilemma like me.
Say, the price for a brand new 116710LN is around 30K,why does someone want to pay more incentives just to get a 15yr old preowned watch. Unless he is a collector or someone know to appreciate the long history and charm of the Pepsi.
Post by: pexus on August 24, 2017, 06:56:31 PM
Actually this is not a bad idea at all. Will consider this, as for the Batman still need time to get one.The 16710 will be a lighter watch to wear. Without the polished centre links, you won't have to worry about daily beater use. I think the lugs are more proportionate compared to the fatter lugs of the new models. The blue/red hue on aluminum is nicer than that dull blue on ceramic.
And stretch on the hollow bracelet is not a really big issue. Do try to get one with solid end links on the bracelet.
I think that the bezel insert is nicer as well, as it is iconic. I just felt like 16710 is a humble and honest watch, makes the wearer kinda like easy-to-approach guy and it wouldn't scream that loud either.
I had one reserved is the Y series, with SEL, hollow bracelet and that lug holes adding more character. As I am so used to the weight of my 114060, when it tried the Pepsi, it feels so so so light. Perhaps it's just my feeling to question the quality (bracelet) of this watch.
the 5 digits bracelets are no slouch. Yes, you will feel a huge difference as compared to the present ones but they are still made to last.
Perhaps if you were to grab the 16710 now and then regret it, i think its still possible to do a u turn and flip it for a batman. A lot will depend on how much you are paying for it. A full set, 16710, SEL with lug holes should find a new home quite easily if present owner is not asking for the stratosphere. Ask for sky maybe still can find buyer.. ;D
But still safer to get it right the first time. ;D
But I think it will be just a little harder to sell; I believe new buyer will face a dilemma like me.
Say, the price for a brand new 116710LN is around 30K,why does someone want to pay more incentives just to get a 15yr old preowned watch. Unless he is a collector or someone know to appreciate the long history and charm of the Pepsi.
30k brand new 116710LN vs say a 33k 16710? you'll be surprised that the Pepsi might sell faster than the LN. But as in sales of all watches..timing is important too.
Post by: ViiiLaix on August 24, 2017, 06:59:17 PM
I just felt like 16710 is a humble and honest watch, makes the wearer kinda like easy-to-approach guy and it wouldn't scream that loud either.
I recently spotted a BNIB SD4k going for almost RM60k after conversion (too optimistic an asking price, I know), but am kicking myself for the flip. The 16710 is like the SD4k, in a way.
WOW. . RM60K for SD4K. The price is just crazy. I believe before it discontinued the price is around 30K+ range.
Very similar to almost all discontinued rolex model, it increase in prices.
Actually I wondered, any collectors that play around with vintage Rolexes in Msia like 5513, 5514 (comex), 1680 or 1675. The prices will even crazier.
Post by: dpkong on August 24, 2017, 07:05:33 PM
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Post by: D'Andy on August 25, 2017, 07:48:48 AM
WOW. . RM60K for SD4K. The price is just crazy. I believe before it discontinued the price is around 30K+ range.
Very similar to almost all discontinued rolex model, it increase in prices.
The last price I spotted at an AD in Malaysia earlier this year prior to the model being discontinued, was RM43k. When it was first launched in 2014, IIRC it was only going for RM28k (but some ADs further imposed a premium then). Those purchased after Rolex lengthened to the 5-year warranty in 2015, sell at a better price in the secondary market. When I was flipping it off, I vaguely remembered a forumer offering me a ridiculously low price for said watch, saying that not many would spend so much cash for a non-Sub. Within the next few days, I received an offer at my asking price; and the buyer flew to KL to collect the prized watch. So, I have no doubts that the 16710, preserved well, would have lots of room for future appreciation given its cult and classic status.
Post by: tonykpk on August 25, 2017, 08:03:45 AM
Regards.