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Does anyone have any info on a dealer who can source a Patek Nautilus or Aquanaut at relatively short notice (say 3-6 months)?
I've tried the Cortina Patek dealer (I have a good relationship with their KLCC store) but they arent sure if they can get one - limited availability and very long waiting list.
TIA!
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Does anyone have any info on a dealer who can source a Patek Nautilus or Aquanaut at relatively short notice (say 3-6 months)?
I've tried the Cortina Patek dealer (I have a good relationship with their KLCC store) but they arent sure if they can get one - limited availability and very long waiting list.
TIA!
Tough one! Good luck!
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Been on the waiting list for 2 years. Ridiculous (I guess I may not be high on the AD's premier customer list) but true. Was told to look elsewhere (another country) to increase the chance of being allocated one. Forget about Singapore, the list is equally long if not longer.
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Been on the waiting list for 2 years. Ridiculous (I guess I may not be high on the AD's premier customer list) but true. Was told to look elsewhere (another country) to increase the chance of being allocated one. Forget about Singapore, the list is equally long if not longer.
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There's always alternatives :thumbsup: But damn, 2 years already? Do you constantly remind them?
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Been on the waiting list for 2 years. Ridiculous (I guess I may not be high on the AD's premier customer list) but true. Was told to look elsewhere (another country) to increase the chance of being allocated one. Forget about Singapore, the list is equally long if not longer.
Same here. I have a reasonably good relationship with Cortina (bought a Tudor, a GO and a Cartier from them in the last year) but they are also telling me to check elsewhere.
Even UK dealers told me that their waitlist is full.
Everyone who has a watch in stock wants a 40-50% premium for it.
If I don't get a reasonable timeline for delivery, I may just get an AP and Patek can go take a hike. This whole "prove yourself worthy" nonsense grates on my nerves.
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Been on the waiting list for 2 years. Ridiculous (I guess I may not be high on the AD's premier customer list) but true. Was told to look elsewhere (another country) to increase the chance of being allocated one. Forget about Singapore, the list is equally long if not longer.
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There's always alternatives :thumbsup: But damn, 2 years already? Do you constantly remind them?
I do, every other month. Been buying a lot from them but I don't think that matters much. The sheer scarcity of PP is the bulk of the problem.
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Been on the waiting list for 2 years. Ridiculous (I guess I may not be high on the AD's premier customer list) but true. Was told to look elsewhere (another country) to increase the chance of being allocated one. Forget about Singapore, the list is equally long if not longer.
Same here. I have a reasonably good relationship with Cortina (bought a Tudor, a GO and a Cartier from them in the last year) but they are also telling me to check elsewhere.
Even UK dealers told me that their waitlist is full.
Everyone who has a watch in stock wants a 40-50% premium for it.
If I don't get a reasonable timeline for delivery, I may just get an AP and Patek can go take a hike. This whole "prove yourself worthy" nonsense grates on my nerves.
It goes to show that PP pricing scheme is wrong. Honestly, at the current pricing a lot of people can afford it but PP can't supply it to them. I do agree this unfortunate situation makes the brand experience very sour.
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Saw loads of Nautilus in KLCC's boutique when I send in my Nautilus & Annual Calender for lubs service 4 months ago.
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....... I have even tried on their latest wg 5170 & 5270. But, don't like its flimsy Calatrava feel. Still prefer the old yet oversize 5070 & 5970.
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Saw loads of Nautilus in KLCC's boutique when I send in my Nautilus & Annual Calender for lubs service 4 months ago.
Very disappointed after knowing this. The AD should at least update the people on the waiting list on the status. Honestly I can look at this either:
1) New batch has arrived but already allocated to those on the waiting list; or
2) The "waiting list" is a sham; and like a 'pasar' if you happen to be in the shop when examples are available, you can get one easily.
It better not be (2) :Mad:
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Very difficult to get in Asian countries especially Singapore and HK.
Best to go overseas to countries where there are not much demand in watches, find an honest AD that wont charge you premium, put down deposit and wait.
IMO the white dial didn't really help. That just made things worst. for example instead of producing 100% blue dial 5711 now the production is definitely split between blue and white which could potentially lower the stock of blue dial.
Also I remember there was an interview Thierry Stern mentioned that he don't want Patek to be a one watch brand. He is also aware of the demand of the nautilus and he knows that he can sell easily. See below:
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/interview-thierry-stern-president-of-patek-philippe
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Meoramri, KLCC's PP Boutique price maybe higher, ....... SA said mine old Nauty worth >100k now. You may try yr luck there ......
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one willing to pay 100k and yet have to wait for years
good business
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The list price at today's MYR should be around RM83k (excluding gst) range.
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Thanks guys for the input.
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Meoramri, KLCC's PP Boutique price maybe higher, ....... SA said mine old Nauty worth >100k now. You may try yr luck there ......
KLCC's boutique is Cortina, right? The rep from their store in KLCC tried to put me on the waitlist but with no luck.
A HK dealer can get one for me for USD25k - which is nearly a 30% premium. He is obviously sourcing it from a dealer, as he told me he needs 10-12 days to get it in stock.
That's nonsense. I refuse to reward Patek's deliberate overlooking of their customers' interest. I can get a RO and a Blancpain for the same price, and will probably do just that.
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Meoramri, KLCC's PP Boutique price maybe higher, ....... SA said mine old Nauty worth >100k now. You may try yr luck there ......
KLCC's boutique is Cortina, right? The rep from their store in KLCC tried to put me on the waitlist but with no luck.
A HK dealer can get one for me for USD25k - which is nearly a 30% premium. He is obviously sourcing it from a dealer, as he told me he needs 10-12 days to get it in stock.
That's nonsense. I refuse to reward Patek's deliberate overlooking of their customers' interest. I can get a RO and a Blancpain for the same price, and will probably do just that.
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I vote for RO 15202 - problem is that the price also gone up.
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I vote for RO 15202 - problem is that the price also gone up.
A RO + a Blancpain Bathyscape are likely to be my next purchases. I don't mind paying a 10% premium but beyond that, I'll get something else.
This whole "make you work hard to give us money for our overpriced watch" approach puts me off, rather than attracts me to the brand.
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I vote for RO 15202 - problem is that the price also gone up.
A RO + a Blancpain Bathyscape are likely to be my next purchases. I don't mind paying a 10% premium but beyond that, I'll get something else.
This whole "make you work hard to give us money for our overpriced watch" approach puts me off, rather than attracts me to the brand.
Well all good choices.
Despite the bad approach required to get the 5711.
You can't go wrong with the Patek 5711.
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^^^^. Hehe, that's not helping, man. :)
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It would be nice to get a Patek. But are they really the big bad boys of yesteryear Patek that everyone was dreaming about?
Seems to me they just copy stuff nowadays. When AP came out with the Royal Oak, they created the Nautilus. When Lange came out with the Datograph, they came out with the 5170.
The creation of the 5196, fitting a larger case with a small movement seemed sloppy to me.
But yeah, because they are Patek they can continue to do this? For how long? You look at the Grande Lange 1 Moonphase that has like 800+ stars on the moonphase... or the zeitwerk... the datograph... I think Patek will be in trouble if this keeps up.
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so Lange is the big bad boys of present years ?
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so Lange is the big bad boys of present years ?
It's hard to argue otherwise. Since Lange's revival... they've been coming up with ridiculous watches... datograph, fusee chain, zeitwerk, thousands of stars in their moonphase, etc
Then they top it off with double-assemble, beautiful finishing (the datograph and up/down chrono finishing is the best i've ever seen), good customer service....
Maybe in terms of heritage and brand name Patek is ahead. But you know... you never really own a Patek.... you just hold it till the next auction ;D
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Lange is nice. I have handled a few pieces.
Adam I don't think 5170 is a copy of dato. Dato > 5170 for me. I think 5170 is a new version of 5070. For the chrono to get is the 5070. That's the end game for manual wind chrono for me.
with 5196 - yes this is sloppy, totally agree. This is reflected in the price. Also I would like to point out some of their white gold calatrava are rhodium plated. Beware of this. I witness a dealer try to polish a patek 6000g. It was a disaster. The piece had to be sent to patek service center for refinishing.
For calatrava have to get the auto movements - my preference would be the ones with a clean dial and auto movement and definitely not plated white gold ones. Careful the white gold pateks ! always make sure its not the plated version.
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Theseira is right on 5070
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Lange is nice. I have handled a few pieces.
Adam I don't think 5170 is a copy of dato. Dato > 5170 for me. I think 5170 is a new version of 5070. For the chrono to get is the 5070. That's the end game for manual wind chrono for me.
with 5196 - yes this is sloppy, totally agree. This is reflected in the price. Also I would like to point out some of their white gold calatrava are rhodium plated. Beware of this. I witness a dealer try to polish a patek 6000g. It was a disaster. The piece had to be sent to patek service center for refinishing.
For calatrava have to get the auto movements - my preference would be the ones with a clean dial and auto movement and definitely not plated white gold ones. Careful the white gold pateks ! always make sure its not the plated version.
This is from Hodinkee:
The depth, the angles, the architecture, that balance cock! What we saw in 1999 was the first completely new, built-from-the-ground-up, in-house, manually wound chronograph in a generation, and absolutely the very first to be aimed squarely at the very high end. Keep in mind, the Datograph was launched just one year after Patek introduced the 5070, its first chronograph in 35 years, which used a caliber that was already 56 years old – though admittedly, Patek's modification of the 2310 is so comprehensive, many trained watchmakers I've asked say it does these watches a disservice to question their origins as anything but truly high-end. Still, at the core of it, the 5070 used the same movement as what was, at the time, a $1,500 Speedmaster.
It was clear that Lange had thrown down the gauntlet and it was up to the Swiss to respond – it took some time but Patek fired back with not only the caliber we see here in the 5170, but also those ultra-thin, mono-pusher movements we find in the mid-six-figure watches like the 5950A. Vacheron took a little longer to respond, but when it did, we all took notice. The launch, in 2014, of the Harmony caliber 3300 featured here, and the amazing self-winding, ultra-thin, mono-pusher split seconds chronograph, leveled the playing field with Patek and Lange, and that is why were are here today – to compare the absolute finest, in-house, manually wound chronographs on earth. Let's get down to it.
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I thought the 5070 uses the Lemania movement? Don't see why the 5070 is the grail. The 5170 is obviously not a 'copy' of the datograph, but it was Patek's response. It's an excellent watch... don't get me wrong.
I'm just hoping that Patek ups their game and creates more innovative movements, designs etc.
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Lange is nice. I have handled a few pieces.
Adam I don't think 5170 is a copy of dato. Dato > 5170 for me. I think 5170 is a new version of 5070. For the chrono to get is the 5070. That's the end game for manual wind chrono for me.
with 5196 - yes this is sloppy, totally agree. This is reflected in the price. Also I would like to point out some of their white gold calatrava are rhodium plated. Beware of this. I witness a dealer try to polish a patek 6000g. It was a disaster. The piece had to be sent to patek service center for refinishing.
For calatrava have to get the auto movements - my preference would be the ones with a clean dial and auto movement and definitely not plated white gold ones. Careful the white gold pateks ! always make sure its not the plated version.
This is from Hodinkee:
The depth, the angles, the architecture, that balance cock! What we saw in 1999 was the first completely new, built-from-the-ground-up, in-house, manually wound chronograph in a generation, and absolutely the very first to be aimed squarely at the very high end. Keep in mind, the Datograph was launched just one year after Patek introduced the 5070, its first chronograph in 35 years, which used a caliber that was already 56 years old – though admittedly, Patek's modification of the 2310 is so comprehensive, many trained watchmakers I've asked say it does these watches a disservice to question their origins as anything but truly high-end. Still, at the core of it, the 5070 used the same movement as what was, at the time, a $1,500 Speedmaster.
It was clear that Lange had thrown down the gauntlet and it was up to the Swiss to respond – it took some time but Patek fired back with not only the caliber we see here in the 5170, but also those ultra-thin, mono-pusher movements we find in the mid-six-figure watches like the 5950A. Vacheron took a little longer to respond, but when it did, we all took notice. The launch, in 2014, of the Harmony caliber 3300 featured here, and the amazing self-winding, ultra-thin, mono-pusher split seconds chronograph, leveled the playing field with Patek and Lange, and that is why were are here today – to compare the absolute finest, in-house, manually wound chronographs on earth. Let's get down to it.
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I thought the 5070 uses the Lemania movement? Don't see why the 5070 is the grail. The 5170 is obviously not a 'copy' of the datograph, but it was Patek's response. It's an excellent watch... don't get me wrong.
I'm just hoping that Patek ups their game and creates more innovative movements, designs etc.
Ya 5070 is lemania
ya patek need to up their game. 5170 fail.
Not many modern patek interest me.
Just the few I like:
SS aquanaut (base model only)
most of the SS nautilus line
5131
5070
5970
There are others but the price is way to high for me to even think about it.
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Guys, what do you all think of the 5172?
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5172 approved by Adam
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Guys, what do you all think of the 5172?
I think it's awesome!
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2 to 3 years wait list, lol
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Guys, what do you all think of the 5172?
Its abit more complicated dial for those who already own clean dials, you can try something different. I enjoyed my to every bit , still one of my fav. piece for the past 6 years
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5711 too plain for me.
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Love the 5712. Already placed an order for my friend. A 3 year waiting list!
Watch the Hodinkee Talking Watches episode with Tony Fadell
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/talking-watches-with-tony-fadell (https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/talking-watches-with-tony-fadell)
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I heard from a business associate who actually owns one of these beauties and a
His strategy is to go to a not-so-good AD/ sales person who might have serve the cream of the cream clientele. So that you are top on his list , so to speak. That is how he got his Nautilus he told me.
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Whether we like it or not, money is what drives the watchmaking industry. If you have deep pockets and have previously bought many watches from an AD, you will be the top in their list.
So I guess the story goes.... make lots of money and buy lots of watches :)
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I heard from a business associate who actually owns one of these beauties and a
His strategy is to go to a not-so-good AD/ sales person who might have serve the cream of the cream clientele. So that you are top on his list , so to speak. That is how he got his Nautilus he told me.
Can you find out from your associate how to identify a not-so-good sales person? I've heard of this method before but in reality, the better sales person will always get first choice when it comes to internal allocation. Nevertheless, no harm trying :)
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I heard from a business associate who actually owns one of these beauties and a
His strategy is to go to a not-so-good AD/ sales person who might have serve the cream of the cream clientele. So that you are top on his list , so to speak. That is how he got his Nautilus he told me.
You might be right.. My personal experience I wanted to get a specific watch from Boutique. They told me I have to wait for at least 2 months if I'm going to get one since incoming stocks will be in 2 months time. 2 days later they call me the watch is available. But My Nautilus was pure luck went to AD ask for it got stock purchase and walk out the shop a happy man... ;)
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I heard from a business associate who actually owns one of these beauties and a
His strategy is to go to a not-so-good AD/ sales person who might have serve the cream of the cream clientele. So that you are top on his list , so to speak. That is how he got his Nautilus he told me.
Can you find out from your associate how to identify a not-so-good sales person? I've heard of this method before but in reality, the better sales person will always get first choice when it comes to internal allocation. Nevertheless, no harm trying :)
Hi there, let me get the answer from this guy. He claimed to have an Aqualus too (correct spelling?)
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5711 looks well balanced to me
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And now apparently, AP is joining this madness.
"Long waiting list for the 15400, we dont know when we will get it in stock".
Are you effing KIDDING me? Do the Swiss not realize that jerking your customers around when they are willing to pay large sums of money for your watch is NOT a good idea? I am done with Patek and if i get this line from an AP dealer in person, i am done with AP as well. I am sure they wont miss my purchase, but that's ok, I can live without them as well.
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I'm pretty sure they would sell as much as they can. Only really hot models that have a reserve list would be difficult to get. But the 15400st should be a relatively easy watch to get. The 15202 though...
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Maybe it is the Sincere Fine Watches guy trying to talk up demand?
15202 is in stock in Singapore. But what's gotten my attention has been the recently announced Lange 1 Moonphase. Oh. My!!!
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Maybe it is the Sincere Fine Watches guy trying to talk up demand?
15202 is in stock in Singapore. But what's gotten my attention has been the recently announced Lange 1 Moonphase. Oh. My!!!
15202 is easier to get. I have seen stock available at multiple AP stores. However the price have gone up a lot since I last enquired about it.
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"Long waiting list for the 15400, we dont know when we will get it in stock".
that's what keep the brand for so many years and many more years to come...
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Waiting period is getting longer lately, try reach out overseas boutiques/ADsm
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Throughout my overseas travels, I've always popped into a Patek boutique no matter if it was in Dubai, Vienna, Munich etc etc. and asked the same question: Do you have a 5711 available?
Response has unfortunately always been the same: "Sorry sir, long waiting list" with a foolish smirk on the face of the Sales Consultant.
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PP Just increased about 12% since 1st feb this yr.
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Yeah I heard PP increased their prices by like 12.5% across the board. The 5711 is now like almost 100k ringgit.
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Yeah I heard PP increased their prices by like 12.5% across the board. The 5711 is now like almost 100k ringgit.
Okay I give up!! :-(
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Price of PP in Malaysia still consider the cheapest around the world I guess, ringgit been so weak.
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Price of PP in Malaysia still consider the cheapest around the world I guess, ringgit been so weak.
What is the retail price of 5711 in Malaysia?
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Dunnu about 5711, but 5712 is 131900
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Dunnu about 5711, but 5712 is 131900
It was 85k. Key word is was!
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Dunnu about 5711, but 5712 is 131900
It was 85k. Key word is was!
85k ringgit is a very good price, I paid 25k aud for mine after claim gst. I think now maybe over 100k ringgit new.
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my gosh patek increased 12% again sad...i should have gotten the rose gold 5167 aquanut. Now my adrenaline for the watch has plummet
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long waiting list and wonder really can get at retail price?
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If you don't mind queing then yes, you can get it at retail price. At least 2 years
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For the same amount of money you can get the AP15202st. I feel like Lange's are more bang for the buck. Maybe a Lange for a semi dress/ semi sport feel. And the good old speedy to bang around?
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Yup, I saw an AP 15202 blue dial last week at a dealer. Priced around 70k+
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Yup, I saw an AP 15202 blue dial last week at a dealer. Priced around 70k+
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70k is a very good price.
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Yup, I saw an AP 15202 blue dial last week at a dealer. Priced around 70k+
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70k is a very good price.
Sorry my bad, it's actually a 15400 and not a 15202
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15400 blue dial??
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15400 blue dial??
Yes blue dial boutique edition. That what I was told.
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I think it is question of luck. Got both of my aquanaut 5164a and 5172a in KL and London, respectively less than a year (ouch!) from the moment i told them that I'm keen on those pieces. Now waiting for the grail 5711a. Timeline? Again, it is luck! But it is always heartening to receive the much awaited text from London at odd hours!
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How do the dealers make money when the quantity volume is so small
Whats the Retail price for Patek Nautilus?
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last time i checked (couple of months back)
5711a = RM98,600
5712a = RM131,900
Aquanaut 5167a = RM75,200
ouch.. ouch... ouch
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last time i checked (couple of months back)
5711a = RM98,600
5712a = RM131,900
Aquanaut 5167a = RM75,200
ouch.. ouch... ouch
Ouch indeed... but worse still... the dreaded waiting list with no end in sight!
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The thing is they refuse to accept me on the waiting list
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ive been on the waiting list of all 3 patek stores in pavi, klcc and bukit bintang for close to a year now. prolly time to visit them and check
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ive been on the waiting list of all 3 patek stores in pavi, klcc and bukit bintang for close to a year now. prolly time to visit them and check
They still accept wait list?
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As I mentioned, it's been a year. I don't know about now
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What's the status on this, has anyone manage to get their hands on a 5711?
I noticed a surge in the secondary market recently to ridiculous levels approx. 130k ringgit for a used piece and approx. 150k+ ringgit for a new sealed piece.
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5711 now are the "real" dream watch to me... :Laughing_on_floor:
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had a quick check at pavi PP to see if my name's moved up the list, was told about half in the list ahead of me bailed.
but the best part was when she told me that one fella who was waiting since 2014 just only got his piece last week.....
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Singapore PP Nautilus waiting list now is at least 3 years.
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had a quick check at pavi PP to see if my name's moved up the list, was told about half in the list ahead of me bailed.
but the best part was when she told me that one fella who was waiting since 2014 just only got his piece last week.....
I ended up putting myself down for a 5712 with an Italian dealer. She said late 2019, at the earliest. .
Still better than Malaysia.
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The 5711 is a nice watch but the waiting time and escalating prices are not in it's favour. Maybe the RM price tag is due to the poor exchange rate. But for 100k, a lot of other options could be considered.
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Third time lucky. Got my grail 5711a at retail in London last week. AD told me it was allocated to me as my wedding gift (blame it on my dealer who followed me on IG!). Trick is to buy watches from the same dealer. Got my 5164a last Aug 2016, 5712a (Dec 2016) and now the grail in Nov 2017. Like i said. Lucky. But. The watch is worth the wait. Trust me. Seeing is believing.
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I love the 5712/1A and resorted to buying preowned as i didnt have the patience! But im extremely happy as the watch was in very good condition..(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/d7af5f8c20c3289a15cba13d70a8a423.jpg)
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never see one in fresh, very rare, not even Patek AD
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I have been on their waiting list for 1 year. The model is 5712r though. Don’t really think can get one lol.
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Hi
I just signed myself up in malaysia Watch forum and want to say hi to all of you.
Great forum and hope to interact more with you guys.
My Nautilus 5711 say hi too :)
Cheers
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Hi
I just signed myself up in malaysia Watch forum and want to say hi to all of you.
Great forum and hope to interact more with you guys.
My Nautilus 5711 say hi too :)
Cheers
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Just to say hi and what a great watch.
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Usually combo deal or good connection could expedite for it, otherwise the period of the waiting list is ridiculously long.
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Hi
I just signed myself up in malaysia Watch forum and want to say hi to all of you.
Great forum and hope to interact more with you guys.
My Nautilus 5711 say hi too :)
Cheers
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Just to say hi and what a great watch.
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Hi thanks. Had a chance to take out the 3710 comet for some fresh air too. Hope you like it also. Cheers
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