Post by: meoramri on August 18, 2016, 06:01:57 PM
It then struck me that the choice for military watches is limited in Malaysia. Hence the lack of interest.
Is this a fair assessment? Any comments, views or opinions?
Post by: Cocas on August 18, 2016, 06:30:45 PM
Post by: hidden830726 on August 18, 2016, 07:23:58 PM
Recently I did a poll http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php?topic=17123.0 (http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php?topic=17123.0) where I asked forum members to pick their favourite genre for collecting watches. Out of 44 respondents, not one chose "Military Watches" as a primary focus. This is interesting as the result is unlike other surveys done in other forums.
It then struck me that the choice for military watches is limited in Malaysia. Hence the lack of interest.
Is this a fair assessment? Any comments, views or opinions?
hmm, i think i miss out your survey, but even if i do, i would have pick pilot since i do have a lot of flieger.
Still, Pilot and most of Aviation variance is consider military.
Post by: cklim on August 18, 2016, 07:39:53 PM
Post by: asimo on August 18, 2016, 07:44:42 PM
divers and pilot also a type of military watches... :o
Post by: Cocas on August 18, 2016, 08:22:37 PM
Post by: meoramri on August 18, 2016, 08:41:34 PM
Pilot and diver watches can also be classified under the general term -military- although due to unique features of the watches they are known more as pilot or diver.
Having said that, I would think a military watch is more of a generalist watch.
For example the snzg17 can be considered a military watch.
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Post by: hidden830726 on August 18, 2016, 09:13:16 PM
My view is, back in the days, flieger is mainly commission for war, but dive watch are not.
Anyhow, this answer why there's bias in the poll result.
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Post by: asimo on August 18, 2016, 09:49:15 PM
most of the Divers are originally designed for military usage (created to fulfil military spec) ... e.g. frogmen/divers (panerai for Italian navy frogmen , the grand father of modern dive watch ...Blancpain FF for French elite divers unit called "nageurs de combat.",
early version of rolex submariner for the Royal British Navy/ US Army, IWC Ocean bund 2000 for German navy , etc)...
http://www.timezone.com/2012/07/07/the-military-divers-watch-a-revisionist-view-by-james-dowling/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_watch
Post by: meoramri on August 19, 2016, 03:54:08 AM
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Post by: hidden830726 on August 19, 2016, 05:04:07 AM
#thumbsup. Very true.
most of the Divers are originally designed for military usage (created to fulfil military spec) ... e.g. frogmen/divers (panerai for Italian navy frogmen , the grand father of modern dive watch ...Blancpain FF for French elite divers unit called "nageurs de combat.",
early version of rolex submariner for the Royal British Navy/ US Army, IWC Ocean bund 2000 for German navy , etc)...
http://www.timezone.com/2012/07/07/the-military-divers-watch-a-revisionist-view-by-james-dowling/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_watch
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Post by: meoramri on August 19, 2016, 06:18:53 AM
(https://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii604/meoramri/Watch%20Collection/Seiko%205%20Sport%20100M%20SNZG09K1/IMG_2749_zps52154694.jpg)Seiko 5 Sport 100M SNZG09K1
(https://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii604/meoramri/Watch%20Collection/Seiko%205%20SRP145K1%20military/b9e13108-004f-4cd4-a216-c2092701495f_zps56a371c0.jpg?t=1384418054)Seiko 5 SRP145K1 Military
(http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii604/meoramri/Watch%20Collection/Hamilton%20Khaki/IMG_3328_zps6ccfc283.jpg)Hamilton khaki Field Officer Auto H70615733
(http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii604/meoramri/Watch%20Collection/Laco%201925%20Squad%20Atacama%20Ninja%20Reference%20861632/IMG_3385_zpsff0a79a4.jpg)Laco 1925 Squad Atacama Ninja
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JvSqDebN57Q/VOGtmtoDHiI/AAAAAAAA1HU/0_0oOwXDYgc/s1600/IMG_2202.JPG)GPW Titanium Automatic (by Arctos Elite)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gtl6FFtmrwI/VkPxDBsUicI/AAAAAAAA7oM/vYqup-EyY-8/s640/IMG_6120.JPG)Hamilton Khaki Field King Ref: H64455133
Post by: asimo on August 19, 2016, 06:28:54 AM
Probably is more glamour n manly..
Maybe is time they should come up with "land" military inspired pieces.. Like mentioned by Meor.. Come with features such as good legibility, lasting lume, shock resistant, maybe Mud resistant , break resistance glass, scratch proof casing, 24 hour dial , dual time, and the vigorous activity on land should not damage the machine inside... What else ??
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Post by: hidden830726 on August 19, 2016, 06:37:59 AM
The Hamilton khaki field officer is B dial tho. It's a flieger.
The Laco is very flieger inspired too.
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Post by: meoramri on August 19, 2016, 08:31:47 AM
@meor
The Hamilton khaki field officer is B dial tho. It's a flieger.
The Laco is very flieger inspired too.
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Based on this article on the FL23883 Flieger standard http://www.justwatchme.net/history-of-the-german-b-uhr-watch-observation-watch-LACO-Stowa-IWC/ (http://www.justwatchme.net/history-of-the-german-b-uhr-watch-observation-watch-LACO-Stowa-IWC/) what you see on the Hamilton khaki field officer is not the B (or even A) dial standard for flieger watches.
Excerpt:
"The A dial is a much cleaner design with large 1 to 11 numerical, all numerical markers were also filled with luminous material. The B dial was a bit more complicated as it showed 5 to 55 minutes markers on the outer rim and a downsize inner circle with the typical 1 to 12 numerical hour marks similar to the A dial. Compared to the A dial, the B dial had a much shorter hour hand that moved in the inner circle of the dial.
B-Dials also featured a unique triangle mark at the 12 o’clock position designed for the upward orientation of the dial of the watch during flight."
It is easily confused due to the Arabic numerals but a dead giveaway why it is not a flieger is the lack of the triangle mark at 12.
Similarly, the Laco is also an infantry watch. Note the minute marker on the bezel. It is printed counter-clockwise - this is a countdown timer reference used by artillery troops (or any other troop for that matter).
Post by: hidden830726 on August 19, 2016, 08:44:34 AM
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Post by: meoramri on August 19, 2016, 09:35:26 AM
Wow meor. Nowdays watch brand don't replicate faithfully to the original requirement. You can't take the requirement and claim it's not a flieger if it doesn't fulfill. Whatever it is, I congrats you for having a nice collections there, but I have to disagree with your view point. Enjoy your watch.
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I agree that most watch brands don't replicate the original requirements. Actually it is not me that is make the claim that the Hamilton and Laco are not a flieger; it is actually the brands themselves that says that these designs are not fliegers (please do the research on the respective brand websites and you see what I mean).
I think it is you that is making an assumption that they are fliegers based on your own opinion.
Post by: hidden830726 on August 19, 2016, 09:43:18 AM
Well. Maybe you are right. Off course my opinion matters to myself.Wow meor. Nowdays watch brand don't replicate faithfully to the original requirement. You can't take the requirement and claim it's not a flieger if it doesn't fulfill. Whatever it is, I congrats you for having a nice collections there, but I have to disagree with your view point. Enjoy your watch.
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I agree that most watch brands don't replicate the original requirements. Actually it is not me that is make the claim that the Hamilton and Laco are not a flieger; it is actually the brands themselves that says that these designs are not fliegers (please do the research on the respective brand websites and you see what I mean).
I think it is you that is making an assumption that they are fliegers based on your own opinion.
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Post by: meoramri on August 19, 2016, 10:46:10 AM
Well. Maybe you are right. Off course my opinion matters to myself.Wow meor. Nowdays watch brand don't replicate faithfully to the original requirement. You can't take the requirement and claim it's not a flieger if it doesn't fulfill. Whatever it is, I congrats you for having a nice collections there, but I have to disagree with your view point. Enjoy your watch.
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I agree that most watch brands don't replicate the original requirements. Actually it is not me that is make the claim that the Hamilton and Laco are not a flieger; it is actually the brands themselves that says that these designs are not fliegers (please do the research on the respective brand websites and you see what I mean).
I think it is you that is making an assumption that they are fliegers based on your own opinion.
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This is what MWF is all about. A place where we can share our opinions on watches. Everyone is entitled to their views. We should all respect that.
This is what interesting about the result of my survey - an individual collection cannot be easily classified based on simple common standard. I have to thank @hidden830726 for that clarity.
A hobby is very personal and in reality done to fulfil a person's own needs. We cannot dictate a 'norm' and expect everyone to follow.
By all means follow what feels right. All of us are here to share our views and learn about horology and not to pass judgement.
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Post by: Jedirat on August 19, 2016, 12:42:33 PM
Post by: meoramri on August 19, 2016, 01:12:56 PM
This chaos does open up opportunities for us WIS to investigate further :thumbsup:
Post by: jeffco on August 25, 2016, 10:13:39 AM
Post by: meoramri on August 25, 2016, 10:21:08 AM
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Please stop plagiarising. (http://www.watchesonnet.com/watches/victorinox-swiss-army.html)
Post by: Cocas on August 25, 2016, 11:15:13 AM
Victorinox Watches, a brand synonymous for its mastery of superior craftsmanship, precision and functionality since 1884, continues its legacy with its Swiss Army watch collections. Victorinox designs men and women watches that incorporate modern, sleek, and chic styling for those whose optimum lifestyles convey professional, active or classical refinement. Victorinox watches are Swiss-made with automatic, chronograph or analog quartz movement. Victorinox constructs its watches with only the highest quality titanium or stainless steel metals, sapphire scratch resistant crystals, with wrist straps available in stainless steel, leather or rubber materials. Victorinox watches offer an impressive international presentation of functionality, quality and prestige. Whatever images your lifestyle portrays Victorinox watches ensure you arrive in sophisticated time.
Please stop plagiarising. (http://www.watchesonnet.com/watches/victorinox-swiss-army.html)
Fully support bro @meoramri !
Really hate these guys just wasted MWF resources and take up the space that MWF member to look for valuable opinion post.
Post by: mykita on August 26, 2016, 05:40:50 PM
On military watches, I have actually started to recently focus on acquiring some military issued watches. Albeit affordable they are hard to get and require lots of time from my experience.
You need knowledge and access to NOS parts. You'll also have to spend months doing research and hunting online auctions to find the piece you want.
I only have two military watches. I exchanged one with a forum member. The other took me 8 months of hunting to get it. I was also just lucky too.
Personally I find it more rewarding because it needs a lot of research and hunting to acquire military pieces. You feel like you've earned it.
It also makes this hobby IMO more accessible to anyone. Anyone can get a good, quality timepiece with a history without paying more than 1K. Just my $0.02.
Post by: Cocas on August 27, 2016, 01:48:44 PM
Recently I did a poll http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php?topic=17123.0 (http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php?topic=17123.0) where I asked forum members to pick their favourite genre for collecting watches. Out of 44 respondents, not one chose "Military Watches" as a primary focus. This is interesting as the result is unlike other surveys done in other forums.
It then struck me that the choice for military watches is limited in Malaysia. Hence the lack of interest.
Is this a fair assessment? Any comments, views or opinions?
Hi @meoramri bro.
I keep searching the definition of military watch. Then, I found this standard MIL-PRF-46374G. This is US military standard.
I think the military watch nowadays must at least get this certification.
Surprisingly Doxa orange dial diver watch got this standard certified.
Post by: Cocas on August 27, 2016, 04:26:54 PM
http://www.military-watches-command.com/mil-spec-tests.html
The military standard details link is here.
Post by: meoramri on August 27, 2016, 04:28:30 PM
Recently I did a poll http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php?topic=17123.0 (http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php?topic=17123.0) where I asked forum members to pick their favourite genre for collecting watches. Out of 44 respondents, not one chose "Military Watches" as a primary focus. This is interesting as the result is unlike other surveys done in other forums.
It then struck me that the choice for military watches is limited in Malaysia. Hence the lack of interest.
Is this a fair assessment? Any comments, views or opinions?
Hi @meoramri bro.
I keep searching the definition of military watch. Then, I found this standard MIL-PRF-46374G. This is US military standard.
I think the military watch nowadays must at least get this certification.
Surprisingly Doxa orange dial diver watch got this standard certified.
Thanks for the reference. Very informative.
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Post by: asimo on August 30, 2016, 03:13:33 PM
I thought only tritium can achieve it
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