Post by: diazepam on October 19, 2015, 07:05:58 PM
Just wondering which you would all choose?
I've been wanting an Omega Speedmaster moonwatch for a long time (buy pre-owned though), but I saw the new Tudor Black Bay Black last week and my heart was stolen ....
How? Why am I so unfaithful? Haha.
So I'm wondering which watch would you choose - just for a fun discussion. :Cheers:
Post by: G.MAC on October 19, 2015, 07:09:11 PM
Post by: ck77 on October 19, 2015, 07:11:36 PM
Moonwatch is chrono, hesalite crystal, manual wind. WR 30m
Black Bay being a diver, WR 200m, sapphire crystal, auto.
Choose what you prefer.
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Post by: betahulu1 on October 19, 2015, 07:18:54 PM
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Post by: roystock on October 19, 2015, 08:27:16 PM
If I could only choose one, it will probably be the black Black Bay (they finally matches the name with its colour, :D)
The Black Bay is more versatile, all rounder watch - auto winding, sapphire crystal, and higher water resistance.
I would buy the new Black Bay in a heartbeat if it was a little thinner and a little cheaper.
A pre-owned moonwatch is easily the best value buy out there.
Post by: diazepam on October 19, 2015, 09:32:14 PM
Post by: nikfs1881 on October 19, 2015, 09:55:14 PM
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Post by: antoniosaprozeld on October 20, 2015, 01:39:58 AM
I know omega is a rolex wannabe, but to say omega is same level as tudor would be unfair..
That said if u like the watch, why do u care what people thinks.. just do it.. hehe
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Post by: Calibr on October 20, 2015, 07:16:32 AM
Post by: deriku on October 20, 2015, 09:27:51 AM
Post by: timenut on October 20, 2015, 09:54:24 AM
Yeah.. between the 2, i'd say a moonwatch is definitely more of a must have in a collection..
I know omega is a rolex wannabe, but to say omega is same level as tudor would be unfair..
That said if u like the watch, why do u care what people thinks.. just do it.. hehe
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Well, one of Omega's was selected by NASA to be worn to the moon, but not Rolex. Need I say more? ;)
Post by: JT on October 20, 2015, 03:23:04 PM
Post by: diazepam on October 20, 2015, 04:46:32 PM
Post by: antoniosaprozeld on October 20, 2015, 05:02:59 PM
Between the three, i'd still rank rolex first then omega then only tudor.. imho le..Yeah.. between the 2, i'd say a moonwatch is definitely more of a must have in a collection..
I know omega is a rolex wannabe, but to say omega is same level as tudor would be unfair..
That said if u like the watch, why do u care what people thinks.. just do it.. hehe
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Well, one of Omega's was selected by NASA to be worn to the moon, but not Rolex. Need I say more? ;)
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Post by: diazepam on October 20, 2015, 05:07:01 PM
Their watches are really nice, but I thought popular perception is that Tudor's the poor man's Rolex?
Post by: BlissandEcstasy on October 20, 2015, 06:23:36 PM
Post by: Everdying on October 21, 2015, 08:00:19 AM
Post by: Calibr on October 21, 2015, 09:04:00 AM
"the only thing worse than a fake rolex, is a real one" - Jeremy Clarkson
Why attribute a quote on Rolex by someone whose specialty was to write and speak about cars, and who had been described with an apparent violent and questionable sexual behaviour according to Wikipedia, adding that he "was suspended by the BBC from Top Gear following a "fracas" with one of the show's producers" early this year..
In the same page in Wikipedia, it was also stated "In April 2007, he was criticised in the Malaysian parliament for having described one of their cars, the Perodua Kelisa, as the worst in the world, "its name was like a disease and suggested it was built in jungles by people who wear leaves for shoes".
Haha.. so now we know! :Confused:
Post by: Everdying on October 21, 2015, 09:07:05 AM
"the only thing worse than a fake rolex, is a real one" - Jeremy Clarkson
Why attribute a quote on Rolex by someone whose specialty was to write and speak about cars, and who had been described with an apparent violent and questionable sexual behaviour according to Wikipedia, adding that he "was suspended by the BBC from Top Gear following a "fracas" with one of the show's producers" early this year..
In the same page in Wikipedia, it was also stated "In April 2007, he was criticised in the Malaysian parliament for having described one of their cars, the Perodua Kelisa, as the worst in the world, "its name was like a disease and suggested it was built in jungles by people who wear leaves for shoes".
Haha.. so now we know! :Confused:
no need to be so hypocritical.
a lot of malaysians are also critical of malaysian cars.
its only when malaysians go overseas, that they start being defensive even over the crappiest of crap malaysian products.
Post by: Calibr on October 21, 2015, 12:32:12 PM
Post by: diazepam on October 21, 2015, 02:22:43 PM
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Post by: diazepam on October 21, 2015, 02:29:21 PM
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Post by: theseira on October 21, 2015, 02:54:15 PM
If me I'd go Omega because my collection I already have a subC for that robustness and versatility.
If I didn't have a robust piece I would get the black bay black.
Post by: roystock on October 21, 2015, 03:26:14 PM
Post by: deriku on October 21, 2015, 03:57:21 PM
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Post by: nikfs1881 on October 21, 2015, 04:09:24 PM
"the only thing worse than a fake rolex, is a real one" - Jeremy Clarkson
Why attribute a quote on Rolex by someone whose specialty was to write and speak about cars, and who had been described with an apparent violent and questionable sexual behaviour according to Wikipedia, adding that he "was suspended by the BBC from Top Gear following a "fracas" with one of the show's producers" early this year..
In the same page in Wikipedia, it was also stated "In April 2007, he was criticised in the Malaysian parliament for having described one of their cars, the Perodua Kelisa, as the worst in the world, "its name was like a disease and suggested it was built in jungles by people who wear leaves for shoes".
Haha.. so now we know! :Confused:
no need to be so hypocritical.
a lot of malaysians are also critical of malaysian cars.
its only when malaysians go overseas, that they start being defensive even over the crappiest of crap malaysian products.
Totally agree! He has no credibility to talk about watches! The only person that can talk about both cars and watches is in this very forum, our one and only @r3kahsstub
Jeremy is a lot of things .....but him talking about watches is akin to Paultan talking about handbags! Lol.... And what he said about Rolex just proved just that!
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Post by: D'Andy on October 21, 2015, 05:09:34 PM
Post by: jacky8888 on October 22, 2015, 08:21:51 AM
Post by: r3kahsttub on October 22, 2015, 02:09:14 PM
Price aside, if I had to pick between the two, I would have gone for the speedy pro. However, given that a brand new speedy pro costs in the region of RM19k and the BB retails for under RM13k, I would sway towards the BB as it is the much more affordable of the two.
Btw, BB black is already available in most ADs:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/buttshak3r/watchporn/56AD0795-DFCF-4A26-BF51-1AA01AA642DA_zpsef0prlxg.jpg)
Post by: G.MAC on October 22, 2015, 02:31:11 PM
Post by: D'Andy on October 22, 2015, 04:12:45 PM
Post by: maxbill on October 22, 2015, 04:39:26 PM
Post by: diazepam on October 24, 2015, 02:50:34 PM
Post by: roystock on October 24, 2015, 06:39:37 PM
Perhaps you should also display the nato version.
The stainless steel BBB feel a little cold, doesn't really jive with the warm / vintage feel dial
Post by: diazepam on October 24, 2015, 07:04:12 PM
Someone, please post up a pre-loved SMP for sale. :P
Post by: farhanbh100 on October 25, 2015, 03:31:58 PM
Post by: MRH on October 25, 2015, 03:47:38 PM
Guess the main question is, what functions do you prefer? The chrono or the 200m underwater usability. Both are desirable watches with different capabilities and at 2 different price points so you have to decide yourself, which one "talks" to you better.
For me, the speedy rocks!
Post by: antoniosaprozeld on October 25, 2015, 04:01:16 PM
& so i say omega wants to be a rolex competitor.. are they there yet? Definitely not.. rolex still is by far the brand of choice in malaysia.. maybe one day tiger woods would choose omega over rolex..
If not for brand snobbery, we'd all be wearing seiki 5s
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Post by: antoniosaprozeld on October 25, 2015, 05:17:24 PM
Definitely moonwatch on the historical 861 or 863 or the 1861/1863 calibers.. tho i dont understand why those are at 2 years warranty instead of the normal 4 years warranty..
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Post by: roystock on October 25, 2015, 05:53:40 PM
I admire real people in the real world and not some fictional character (I do watch Bond though, but I am not an 007 wannabe). And which brand 007 choose, is simply a function of which brand paid the producer more.
Btw, in Ian Fleming's book, 007 wears Rolex Explorer, and I supposed Rolex didn't pay him for endorsement.
Back to the topic, I do dig the moon watch story because it is real tool used by real people in mission that is really important.
Also, omega paid NASA nothing. They just produced a better watch (back then).
That said, if you pitch Omega vs Rolex, I will pick Rolex anyday.
I like their stubbornness in making good better. Their engineering, material, precision is simply very good.
And I also like the fact that they just do what they did, do not pay too much attention to fashion.
Rolex Submariner looks the same for the untrained eye - from 1950-2015.
Omega Seamaster series? I lost count of how many different varieties out there when it come to size, colour, and the dial itself.
The first DOTM was great. Second was OK. But now, I cant recall how many was launched earlier this year? 3/4 different colour?
Post by: nikfs1881 on October 25, 2015, 08:17:22 PM
To me, Rolex or omega for 007 simple doesn't matter. The 007 endorsement, if anything, cheapened the watch.
I admire real people in the real world and not some fictional character (I do watch Bond though, but I am not an 007 wannabe). And which brand 007 choose, is simply a function of which brand paid the producer more.
Btw, in Ian Fleming's book, 007 wears Rolex Explorer, and I supposed Rolex didn't pay him for endorsement.
Back to the topic, I do dig the moon watch story because it is real tool used by real people in mission that is really important.
Also, omega paid NASA nothing. They just produced a better watch (back then).
That said, if you pitch Omega vs Rolex, I will pick Rolex anyday.
I like their stubbornness in making good better. Their engineering, material, precision is simply very good.
And I also like the fact that they just do what they did, do not pay too much attention to fashion.
Rolex Submariner looks the same for the untrained eye - from 1950-2015.
Omega Seamaster series? I lost count of how many different varieties out there when it come to size, colour, and the dial itself.
The first DOTM was great. Second was OK. But now, I cant recall how many was launched earlier this year? 3/4 different colour?
Fully agree with Antonio and roystock! I couldn't have said any better.....
Back to the topic: to reiterate: Tudor BB and Moonwatch, of course moonwatch hands down!
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Post by: roystock on October 25, 2015, 08:44:46 PM
I believe most of us are referring to the Moon watch @ 42mm, full size.
I saw from your latest reply that you are actually looking for a Reduced (38mm)?
There are some differences between the moon watch (42mm) vs the Reduced (38mm). You can see the link here
http://www.fratellowatches.com/speedy-tuesday-speedmaster-reduced-versus-speedmaster-professional-moonwatch/
In the preowned market, the reduce is considerably cheaper.
And if you were to repost this question, Speedy Reduced vs Tudor Black Black Bay. The answer, I believe, will be slightly different.
Post by: antoniosaprozeld on October 25, 2015, 09:11:15 PM
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Post by: diazepam on October 26, 2015, 10:07:47 AM
Hi OP,
I believe most of us are referring to the Moon watch @ 42mm, full size.
I saw from your latest reply that you are actually looking for a Reduced (38mm)?
There are some differences between the moon watch (42mm) vs the Reduced (38mm). You can see the link here
http://www.fratellowatches.com/speedy-tuesday-speedmaster-reduced-versus-speedmaster-professional-moonwatch/
In the preowned market, the reduce is considerably cheaper.
And if you were to repost this question, Speedy Reduced vs Tudor Black Black Bay. The answer, I believe, will be slightly different.
Hi Roy,
Thanks very much for the link and the info contained therein.
I think I must have been mistaken then. I always thought that the moonwatch came in two different sizes for men - a full-sized version and a mid-size or 'boy-size' of 38mm. And I had thought that they have since stopped releasing it in the 38mm size, retaining only the 42mm.
I see now that this is incorrect, though interestingly enough, there were 2 speedmasters at the AD - the hand-wound moonwatch, and a speedmaster coaxial. Anyways, I think I'll have to try on the 42mm and reassess if its too big for my wrist. :(
Post by: r3kahsttub on October 26, 2015, 10:30:48 AM
Yes, they still make the smaller speedy (speedy reduced, speedy triple date), but just FYI, I have some friends with pretty small wrists, and still manage to pull off the speedy pro. But yes, best to try it on before you decide on one. And should you decide that a speedy is really what you want... then you can do no wrong with the (larger) speedy pro!
Post by: kingpin on October 26, 2015, 01:28:37 PM
Post by: antoniosaprozeld on October 26, 2015, 05:37:41 PM
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Post by: alphaz on October 27, 2015, 05:58:04 AM
Post by: axaxax on October 27, 2015, 07:13:50 PM
Some would recommend you based on your current collection setup.
Alternately. If ur looking for a daily beater. Both qualifies. If you want something low key, you should go for the moonwatch. If you want tool watch that people will notice, then you should get a BB.
Also worth to note that to me, BB is a halfway house to a Sub.
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Post by: Timeless on October 27, 2015, 10:18:55 PM
Post by: diazepam on October 28, 2015, 11:15:50 PM
Maybe should just get this and I can have a 'BB' today, 'Moonwatch' tomorrow, and an 'ExpII' the following day. Haha.
Post by: zoolmd on October 29, 2015, 11:09:01 AM
My speedmaster pro brown dial edition. Some people call it 'faux tropical brown'. ;D It is not too brownish and not really black. Bought it through ebay from seller in Japan after i had exhausted looking for it in malaysian market. Watch initially was detained by KLIA custom. I received a letter from them with option either to appoint Pos malaysia as agent or collect it myself. I tried my luck and went there, open its box and showed the watch to custom personnel. Then declared its price as RM1000, person in charge at the counter ask me twice and i said yes it's RM1000. She smiled at me and returned to me its actual receipt that came with the watch, (tax calculated as RM780) and told me to just keep it while she wrote in the declaration form with price as RM1000 and calculated its tax including others that i had to pay only RM78. I smiled and yeehaaa... :Dancing_banana: save me RM700... ;D
Love the speedy for its history........
Post by: roystock on October 29, 2015, 11:30:54 AM
(http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt171/zoolmd78/Mobile%20Uploads/6dd15686-3d22-4d84-99e4-bb16a06c8bda.jpg) (http://s609.photobucket.com/user/zoolmd78/media/Mobile%20Uploads/6dd15686-3d22-4d84-99e4-bb16a06c8bda.jpg.html)Nice. Well in good health.
My speedmaster pro brown dial edition. Some people call it 'faux tropical brown'. ;D It is not too brownish and not really black. Bought it through ebay from seller in Japan after i had exhausted looking for it in malaysian market. Watch initially was detained by KLIA custom. I received a letter from them with option either to appoint Pos malaysia as agent or collect it myself. I tried my luck and went there, open its box and showed the watch to custom personnel. Then declared its price as RM1000, person in charge at the counter ask me twice and i said yes it's RM1000. She smiled at me and returned to me its actual receipt that came with the watch, (tax calculated as RM780) and told me to just keep it while she wrote in the declaration form with price as RM1000 and calculated its tax including others that i had to pay only RM78. I smiled and yeehaaa... :Dancing_banana: save me RM700... ;D
Poor Kak Ros has RM350 less to spend on diamond ring now
Post by: ck77 on October 29, 2015, 11:52:05 AM
(http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt171/zoolmd78/Mobile%20Uploads/6dd15686-3d22-4d84-99e4-bb16a06c8bda.jpg) (http://s609.photobucket.com/user/zoolmd78/media/Mobile%20Uploads/6dd15686-3d22-4d84-99e4-bb16a06c8bda.jpg.html)Nice choc speedy, l like it :thumbsup:
My speedmaster pro brown dial edition. Some people call it 'faux tropical brown'. ;D It is not too brownish and not really black. Bought it through ebay from seller in Japan after i had exhausted looking for it in malaysian market. Watch initially was detained by KLIA custom. I received a letter from them with option either to appoint Pos malaysia as agent or collect it myself. I tried my luck and went there, open its box and showed the watch to custom personnel. Then declared its price as RM1000, person in charge at the counter ask me twice and i said yes it's RM1000. She smiled at me and returned to me its actual receipt that came with the watch, (tax calculated as RM780) and told me to just keep it while she wrote in the declaration form with price as RM1000 and calculated its tax including others that i had to pay only RM78. I smiled and yeehaaa... :Dancing_banana: save me RM700... ;D
Love the speedy for its history........
Must be your charm which conviced the custom lady ;D
Post by: zoolmd on October 29, 2015, 12:12:33 PM
Post by: diazepam on October 29, 2015, 07:27:49 PM
(http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt171/zoolmd78/Mobile%20Uploads/6dd15686-3d22-4d84-99e4-bb16a06c8bda.jpg) (http://s609.photobucket.com/user/zoolmd78/media/Mobile%20Uploads/6dd15686-3d22-4d84-99e4-bb16a06c8bda.jpg.html)
My speedmaster pro brown dial edition. Some people call it 'faux tropical brown'. ;D It is not too brownish and not really black. Bought it through ebay from seller in Japan after i had exhausted looking for it in malaysian market. Watch initially was detained by KLIA custom. I received a letter from them with option either to appoint Pos malaysia as agent or collect it myself. I tried my luck and went there, open its box and showed the watch to custom personnel. Then declared its price as RM1000, person in charge at the counter ask me twice and i said yes it's RM1000. She smiled at me and returned to me its actual receipt that came with the watch, (tax calculated as RM780) and told me to just keep it while she wrote in the declaration form with price as RM1000 and calculated its tax including others that i had to pay only RM78. I smiled and yeehaaa... :Dancing_banana: save me RM700... ;D
Love the speedy for its history........
:thumbsup: Very nice watch!
Post by: vincenttan on November 10, 2015, 06:44:41 PM
See after two weeks which side did you face the most when you wake up ;D
Post by: adamjohari on November 11, 2015, 06:08:46 AM
Post by: seed8801 on November 11, 2015, 02:34:37 PM
But it is really depends on what is the collection you own now, and the priority of the types of watch you wish to get
Post by: diazepam on November 11, 2015, 06:54:10 PM
Post by: Everdying on November 12, 2015, 05:32:14 AM
I think one major 'stumbling block' for me now is that the moonwatch is a little too big on my wrist.
but last i recall trying, the tudor wears bigger than the moonwatch.
Post by: diazepam on November 12, 2015, 06:25:24 PM
I think one major 'stumbling block' for me now is that the moonwatch is a little too big on my wrist.
but last i recall trying, the tudor wears bigger than the moonwatch.
I think the tudor is fatter but the tudor is 41mm vs moonwatch 42mm. Plus I think the BB's bezel is thicker which to my eye, gives the illusion of a smaller watch face?
It was the same with my Sinn 857. Its a 43mm but because of the bezel, it seems to fit my wrist. Most other 41+ diameters always seemed too large.
Not sure if this makes sense, but I'm rationalising it based on what I've tried on and noticed.
Post by: Everdying on November 12, 2015, 07:50:32 PM
I think one major 'stumbling block' for me now is that the moonwatch is a little too big on my wrist.
but last i recall trying, the tudor wears bigger than the moonwatch.
I think the tudor is fatter but the tudor is 41mm vs moonwatch 42mm. Plus I think the BB's bezel is thicker which to my eye, gives the illusion of a smaller watch face?
It was the same with my Sinn 857. Its a 43mm but because of the bezel, it seems to fit my wrist. Most other 41+ diameters always seemed too large.
Not sure if this makes sense, but I'm rationalising it based on what I've tried on and noticed.
the speedy bezel is only 40mm in diameter (technically 39.7mm, for comparison a rolex sub is 39.5mm).
but yes, speedy has a larger dial, but it still feels smaller...
combination of case design, lug design, 20mm vs 22mm lugs...all adds up :P
here's something from google...
(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w398/Bil-Jac/Black%20Bay%20-%20Speedmaster/2015-01-24164611_zps598706f7.jpg)
Post by: wusion123 on November 13, 2015, 05:49:31 AM
Post by: Devilzzz44 on November 13, 2015, 06:27:35 AM