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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: mikeylacroix on February 15, 2015, 05:36:01 AM
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Round 2:
Swiss vs Jap: Richemont vs Seiko?
1's a sporty dress watch, 1's a dressy sports watch?
Both are very representative of their original incarnations with all the modern bells and whistles
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150215_080626_resize_zpslwp7mrdp.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20IW323902/20150213_081715_resize_zpsrhjs0avk.jpg)
The face:
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/Grand%20Seiko%20SBGR083/20141021_222617_resize_zps7a397ee7.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20IW323902/20150213_081628_resize_zpszbe2xm1r.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150214_215443_resize_zpsceqkirmh.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20IW323902/20150213_081618_resize_zpsspcxfqea.jpg)
SBGR083 inky black...like a deep cesspool.
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/Grand%20Seiko%20SBGR083/GSSBGR083063_resize_zpsaf399baf.jpg)
IWC3239 is a nice glossy matte finish.
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20IW323902/20150213_081715_resize_zpsrhjs0avk.jpg)
Stepped dial with chapter ring for depth..one so dark its like a darn black hole
Both with minimal writings.
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/Grand%20Seiko%20SBGR083/GSSBGR083033_resize_zpsc4598223.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/Grand%20Seiko%20SBGR083/GSSBGR083031_resize_zps550defc4.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20IW323902/20150213_081654_resize_zpsm8xwjoqr.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20IW323902/20150212_223216_resize_zpsvyqpayrz.jpg)
Gold seconds hand and gold writings did it for me again of course. I am a big fan of dauphine hands. The ingy however has some manly faceted hands that is superbly polished as well.
Beautifully cut applied indices on both, with the edge going to the GS for its crispness.
Date windows on both well executed, GS is framed with very visible contrasting font used for the date.
The ingy sits the date between the chapter rings, strangely balanced out by the crown. The GS's chapter ring is nicely done with a railway track design.
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150214_215513_resize_zpsddib8opn.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150214_215951_resize_zpsnkwd0eyl.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150214_215958_resize_zpsje9ovjyn.jpg)
The case:
Case work on both is gorgeous. Genta design is famous. This modern re-design is probably the most wearable genta yet. The non functional bezel holes are bit odd though.
GS's zaratsu finishing is a wonder to behold. GS edges out in thickness, even though both are rated to around 100wr.
The GS crown screws into the case, while the Ingy has these massive crown guards.
Both 40mm.
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150215_080646_resize_zpsfuomwrzc.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150214_215606_resize_zps95dt3kug.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150214_215526_resize_zpsdlf0xain.jpg)
Integrated case design vs a more classic case
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150214_220131_resize_zpslex0f7dn.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/Grand%20Seiko%20SBGR083/20141021_222413_resize_zps726ec924.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20IW323902/20150213_081703_resize_zpstujlvpoe.jpg)
solid caseback vs see thru..i suppose the 2892 ain't that pretty really
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150214_215841_resize_zpsu4dc3iyo.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/Grand%20Seiko%20SBGR083/GSSBGR083083_resize_zpsbae25a7c.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20IW323902/20150213_081529_resize_zpsyrlmuoe0.jpg)
both fit stunningly well once sized properly though
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20IW323902/20150212_155727_resize_zpswqelajig.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/Grand%20Seiko%20SBGR083/GS%20SBGR083%20022_resize_zps8cyjpji5.jpg)
The bracelet:
Will let the pictures do the talking
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150214_220046_resize_zpszxhp4wzk.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150214_220041_resize_zpsidp0yd1k.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150214_215757_resize_zpssnyo2nb6.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150214_215726_resize_zps23wmcyda.jpg)
Both are foldevers, the ingy wins points on the easy resizing system.
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20IW323902/20150213_081543_resize_zpswr2s4huq.jpg)
GS's are painfully fiddly.
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/Grand%20Seiko%20SBGR083/GS%20SBGR083%20012_resize_zpsieo03sso.jpg)
H link style that tapers slickly vs a bastardized '3(5)' link bracelet. Both have push in clasp release system with the ingy's clasp sitting flush
the length of the inner clasp makes the ingy's middle link jut out slightly odd on me.
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20IW323902/20150213_081607_resize_zpsvalbhbxx.jpg)
Top heaviness of the SBGR083 meant I had to jig it about a bit..before getting 7-5 links at 12-6 position for the best balanced fit.
No lume for the SBGR083 btw...the highly polished hands means all it needs is just a sprinkle of fairy dust to tell time in darkness.
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20IW323902/2015-02-12%2022.52.58_resize_zpsfzss0pjv.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/Grand%20Seiko%20SBGR083/GSSBGR083048_resize_zps7ca1dd04.jpg)
The conclusion:
GS wins on many fronts..from the movement to the finishing to the LE of it..but the Ingy is a looker.
I like my watches sportier and the Ingy screams 'wear me' when it comes to grabbing and going for my day to day.
The GS however makes Terry tingle everytime I look at it.
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150214_220146_resize_zpsrbkvhd8q.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150214_220318_resize_zpse1j0zals.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150214_215904_resize_zpsegifs3ac.jpg)
Enjoy
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/Grand%20Seiko%20SBGR083/GSSBGR083048_resize_zps7ca1dd04.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20IW323902/20150213_081643_resize_zpsuqmfch2a.jpg)
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more day time comparo pics:
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150215_080607_resize_zpsuguzdlgs.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150215_080547_resize_zps8uiyvzam.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150215_080621_resize_zpsqoasbtn8.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150215_080524_resize_zpsh31nb7hu.jpg)
The GS is very very angular in a modern way
all that alternating finishing with clean delineated lines makes it droolworthy
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150215_080703_resize_zpsgbt0ewnz.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150215_080652_resize_zpsjrqzyfjr.jpg)
beautiful casework all around
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150215_080638_resize_zpsz61cn36w.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150215_080458_resize_zpsroc5ferw.jpg)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/qrchandc26/IWC%20Ingenieur%20323902%20vs%20GS%20sbgr083/20150215_080422_resize_zpsuewbxykp.jpg)
just superb
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Great comparison. Superb pictures and excellent attention to details.
Both timepieces are winners in my book. However IMHO the Gerald Genta design DNA of the Ingenieur gives it a slight edge over the GS.
Thanks for sharing Mikey.
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Brilliant review. The GS is intriguing.
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GS for me.
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Excellent side-by-side review. Can I suggest to add in average daily rate? ;)
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Excellent side-by-side review. Can I suggest to add in average daily rate? ;)
Lemme keep track
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Vote for gs
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Excellent side-by-side review. Can I suggest to add in average daily rate? ;)
using time.gov
+5 for Ingy
+7 for GS
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Based purely upon it's looks, I would shade it towards the GS.
Based upon common sense and wrist appeal: it's a Hands down, no brainer: IWC wins by a country mile ::)
Credit where it is due, an excellent review Mikey. Thanks.
Nobby
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Thank you very much for the comparison with beautiful picutures.
I am with you. Will go for IWC for its iconic GG design and macho look which is really versatile, can be for formal and casual occasions.
:thumbsup:
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Great write up. The IWC is nice enough but with just an ETA inside isn't in the same league IMO. should be priced about half the going rate!
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oh no.........these two pieces are very poisonous!!! so beautiful!
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Comparing between this 2 watches, the dial on GS looks cleaner and easier on the eye....my vote is on GS too
Nice fotos taken btw....