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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: mike on December 24, 2014, 07:20:16 PM
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Just for everyone of your information, there is a company in Switzerland manufacturing and selling Replica Rolex(s) that are 1:1 exactly same as the real Rolex, even the weight. I'm thinking the culprit who started this company should be an ex-worker or watch maker in Rolex. All the watches produced by the company are using genuine materials, genuine watch cases, genuine watch parts and genuine watch boxes. They even challenged clients to open up the back case, and it was 1:1 exactly the same. Even Rolex service center hesitated on the question while handling the watch.
For everyone out there buying a Rolex, please take full cautiousness and only purchase from trusted sellers and shops. Cheers. :Cheers:
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If everything is genuine, what's the difference ? the price ? The production serial number ?
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The root of the question is, that the watch is not made in the Rolex factory, by Rolex and for Rolex. Hence, although most of the parts are genuine, it is still not a Rolex in a sense.
The moral of the story is, buy Rolex from a Rolex AD. :Cheers:
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"OEM" in another word!
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So a Rolex made in Swiss but not original? I am more keen to know how they handle the serial number ::)
Can share the link or the source of the information?
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if someone already has insider knowledge on materials and workings of rolex.
it would only make sense they would also have serial records as to what model each serial belongs to and also carry out the same serial production runs so that they co-relate with every model being made.
just like how in malaysia we can have 2 cars with the same color on the road and same license plate :P
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Hard to believe that's even possible. The case and dial of Rolex is made inhouse using special material and technology. While I understand it's possiple to make a fake one look like original but it's near impossible to make a genuine/exact copy of the parts. That require the same machine and material which are procure inhouse by Rolex or even make by Rolex itself.
How is this company carry out an operation like this in Switzerland and not risk jail time?'
Unless ... ... it's not exact just lookalike.
Or maybe it's not a Swiss company but rather a company with a Swiss name.
Regard
Tyler
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Curious to know more details about this company . I will believe it if I have a chance to see it with my own eyes .
I have an info about a website name solidswiss who took pic about it and said it looks like original Rolex even uses 904 Steel. But the question is have we ever see it in real ?
Many fake websites in the market unless we bought one and experience it yourself . U might lose ur $1300 for a GMT Master II :P
Just saying
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I dont think Rolex will allow this to happen or continue. Their multi-billion brand and reputation is at risk. It's probably an obscure and small company/person trying to do something funny... but the long arms of the law will catch up sooner or later, especially in Swiss. :thumbsdown:
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Solidswiss watches look scarily authentic.... Who knows some of us are actually wearing a fake?
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So a Rolex made in Swiss but not original? I am more keen to know how they handle the serial number ::)
Can share the link or the source of the information?
Saw alot of it online and from a friend who frequents Switzerland, its called AAA grade replicas. AFAIK, the company which manufactures it is not based in Switzerland.
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Btw , I think solidswiss is using authentic pic to trick the buyer . And send a what we call " swissgrade " replica to the buyer if they paid . Or maybe didn't even send any watch .
I have gone through solidswiss pictures and I'm quite sure bout they are using authentic pics taken somewhere else.
Also I have seen multiple websites using original and very tempting price to cheat buyer and gone off with their cash. Taurowatch was just one who vanished . And there are some others too .. So just beware of fakes and cons right now .
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I do not know about the company. I'm working in a watch service center, a customer sent the watch to us to verify wther it is authentic. We sent it to Rolex and it is a fraud, and the information about this company was all given by a watch maker in Rolex. Handling the watch myself, it was indeed 100% like a real watch. :Blue:
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just out of curiosity, does serial number is the only way to identify authentic or replica if all parts are from rolex?
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just out of curiosity, does serial number is the only way to identify authentic or replica if all parts are from rolex?
Nope
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I do not know about the company. I'm working in a watch service center, a customer sent the watch to us to verify wther it is authentic. We sent it to Rolex and it is a fraud, and the information about this company was all given by a watch maker in Rolex. Handling the watch myself, it was indeed 100% like a real watch. :Blue:
How about their movements? ??? Do those companies produce imitated movements or out source third party movements?
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Read up SS guys.
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A picture would justify my words.
Here is a picture of the watch I took a quick snap of
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/mikewoonz/IMAG3173_1_zpsuhtu0eiv.jpg)
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I am still bit sceptical on it being so similar. Please don't feel dismay, is good that you bring this awareness to the forum. However, wouldn't it cost more to make one exactly similar than buying one off shelve ? Perhaps Rolex was overcharging us all the time and economies of scale didn't happen and we were ripped off ! >.<
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so i guess we can safely say the watch mikster checked out is not from solidswiss.
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Wow! To my untrained eye it looks great. How can they sell so openly? Wouldn't tolex have taken some legal action?
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Wow! To my untrained eye it looks great. How can they sell so openly? Wouldn't tolex have taken some legal action?
It's difficult to track these guys down since most of them operate out of China. Also, if even if they manage to nail one down, a few others will pop up elsewhere. It's a lucrative business.
Having frequented forums on replicas, I have seen comparison photos where the replica looks very close to the original, but there is always something off. It's never 1:1. They have been able to do it for years, thus, nothing new.
End of the day, it's still a replica and will never feel the same as the real deal.
If you want to avoid being sold a replica, a good way would be to buy less mainstream models. I haven't seen a good Zenith replica as yet, but plenty of Rolexes and Omegas.
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Good info. Must really be weary buying 2nd hand rolex without papers.
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I do not know about the company. I'm working in a watch service center, a customer sent the watch to us to verify wther it is authentic. We sent it to Rolex and it is a fraud, and the information about this company was all given by a watch maker in Rolex. Handling the watch myself, it was indeed 100% like a real watch. :Blue:
could you share why/how rolex said the watch is fake? how rolex determine that ?
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I do not know about the company. I'm working in a watch service center, a customer sent the watch to us to verify wther it is authentic. We sent it to Rolex and it is a fraud, and the information about this company was all given by a watch maker in Rolex. Handling the watch myself, it was indeed 100% like a real watch. :Blue:
could you share why/how rolex said the watch is fake? how rolex determine that ?
The movement was not up to the perfect scale. It does look like a real piece viewing from naked eye, but thru a loupe they can clearly see the base of the movement was a based movement and the main spring wasn't up to the 1:1 ratio comparing to the genuine piece. Main spring size was smaller than a real one. I'm still very impressed they could copy even the movement, looks definitely like the real. Just small details they messed up or couldn't get up to it as it is a very difficult job. Couldn't stand a chance to snap a pic of the movement sadly.
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Very interesting. I guess this would mean it's the highest grade replica yet isn't it.
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The numbers on the bezel looks off... there are clear imperfections on some of the numbers eg 14, 16, 18, 20.
A picture would justify my words.
Here is a picture of the watch I took a quick snap of
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/mikewoonz/IMAG3173_1_zpsuhtu0eiv.jpg)
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I still don't belief this.
I belief u can make 99% case n bracelet
But don't belief the movement can be like real, it gonna cost u many many millions to build the machine to manufacture it
who would risk your many millions to built a fake?
How to sell so many fake to recover the investment?
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China can fabricate anything... Hack... Even fake chicken eggs. Lol
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Any info on where did the owner got this piece from? Was he duped into thinking he bought the real thing?
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What about the laser edged Rolex logo on the crystal at 6, is it there? That's probably what we will authenticate first before buying from a non AD.
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1:1 Rolex Replicate has the laser edged logo on the crustal at 6. this is nothing new and not a good tell tale sign. Clone 3135 movement which is very similar to the genuine 3135 movement are also offer with these Replicates. To the untrained eyes, these replicates are no different than the genuine. usually, on the appearance. bracelets ( edges rather rough, gap is wide) , pearl ( brownish, no lume), bezel ( numerals are not deep, dull colour), date wheel overlay are the areas that can tell it is fake or genuine or not ..
But, some people will go all the way to mod these watches ( not necessary to sell but for their hobbies and interest ) buying genuine components to fit. So again not a reliable source to identify fakes. That's why I ask for serial number, as I as I know, this is one area that is very sure no fake can imitate.
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Wow! To my untrained eye it looks great. How can they sell so openly? Wouldn't tolex have taken some legal action?
It's difficult to track these guys down since most of them operate out of China. Also, if even if they manage to nail one down, a few others will pop up elsewhere. It's a lucrative business.
Having frequented forums on replicas, I have seen comparison photos where the replica looks very close to the original, but there is always something off. It's never 1:1. They have been able to do it for years, thus, nothing new.
End of the day, it's still a replica and will never feel the same as the real deal.
If you want to avoid being sold a replica, a good way would be to buy less mainstream models. I haven't seen a good Zenith replica as yet, but plenty of Rolexes and Omegas.
Very agreed with you. just wanted to add that beside Rolex, Omega, Panerai and AP too.
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From that 1 pic somehow the way the "cerachrom" bezel reflects light looks off. Also the font for superlative chronometer seems imperfect
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Read my topic here:
http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php?topic=11981.0
Tells how to identify fake rolex
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Is there any possibility any fakes selling in AD ? Just like duty free shops have fake liquor which is not unheard of ?? ???
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You can sue the AD for selling fakes.
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Thank you for sharing this info. I have been contemplating buying a used sub, and this sharing has certainly made me more aware. I think key here is to get your due diligence done, and buy only from a reputable seller.
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Thank you for sharing this info. I have been contemplating buying a used sub, and this sharing has certainly made me more aware. I think key here is to get your due diligence done, and buy only from a reputable seller.
including ur 000 bro ;D
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;D am fairly certain, but also sending it in for a check ofc :Praying:
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I don't believe this too.
It just doesn't sound right.
Replica is replica. No matter how close, there will be signs.
1:1? They cannot even perfect the laser etched coronet.
And i believe, once handled especially by those who handles rolexes on a daily basis, a quick few winds should be able to tell.
And i am not talking about salespersons in ADs... Technical ppl, well versed collectors. I think it's difficult to fool.
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time to buy old Rolex where replicating technology is not that advanced :Laughing_on_floor:
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a perfect 1:1 is simply urban legend to me
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It is very close to a genuine piece. Except for the spacing of the words "OYSTER PERPETUAL DATE" and "SUPERLATIVE CHRONOMETER OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED" which is too wide. Look carefully. Nevertheless it's scarily close. The genuine one, numbers on bezel where they are laced with platinum, appears a little grainy but not the one shown here. This is triple "A" replica.