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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: dsiewmy on August 03, 2010, 07:41:34 PM
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after acquiring the VC, i'm a bit stuck on the genta design.
for an entire weekend, i couldn't take my eyes off the AP.
for obvious reasons, my budget (or wife) will not permit me to go for a ROO but even if i have the money, i may not necessarily have the wrist to wear it.
due to this, i've been looking at the AP RO 15300 specifically white or black dial.
NOTE: the deal with my wife is that i can only keep 4 watches at 1 time (deal is still under negotiation), i need to sacrifice either the PAM312L or the IWC Port 371417.
so, if u were in my shoes, would u go for it?
i have listed some pros for each watch.
<AP 15300>
-very well respected brand
-1 of the original genta designs
-in house AP movement - the calibre 3120
-beautiful display back with decorated movement
-iconic octagon design - looks like most AP pieces
-can be worn on classic bracelet or converted to strap
-can be dressed down or up
<PAM 312>
-trendy brand
-classic PAM design with sandwich dial
-in house 3 day movement
-display back but WITHOUT decorations
-1950s case, but without dome crystal (unlike PAM127)
-can be worn with unlimited amounts of straps
-more of a trend piece, not able to dress up, more like a tool watch
<pictures! - all images are borrowed, thanks to the original owners of the pics>
the AP15300
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/rjbroer/Fratello/AP15300-5.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/rjbroer/Fratello/AP15300-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/rjbroer/Fratello/AP15300-4.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/rjbroer/Fratello/AP15300-3.jpg)
(http://www.mkmotorsport.com/15300ORG_%20PhoroshopSS1.jpg)
(http://www.fototime.com/363953BF861C49AC8C5C68BEA6F5E6C6/standard.jpg)
the PAM312
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UTeQhQcvdNU/SZGlXFqzCrI/AAAAAAAAEow/18hi2dHPlJ4/s1600-h/1231776154998_PAM312+FRONT.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UTeQhQcvdNU/SZGlWtCuVBI/AAAAAAAAEok/4bVA45xKk_w/s400/1231776153336_PAM312+DETT3.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UTeQhQcvdNU/SZGlWPe7bqI/AAAAAAAAEoc/ccZ2cSWzmRY/s1600-h/1231776151525_PAM312+DETT2.jpg)
(http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss261/dennlow/PAm3125.jpg)
help me decide!!!!
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ok, also, IFFFFF i were to go for the AP, black or white? (albeit AP is well known for the blue...)hmm
(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n304/Boa2_photo/Basel%20Watches/IMG_1261.jpg)
(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n304/Boa2_photo/Basel%20Watches/IMG_1264.jpg)
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without a shawdow of a doubt, definitely go for AP....forget abt yr pam.
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to convert to strap or not.
what color dial and what color strap.
(http://www.mkmotorsport.com/2008_03_09013.jpg)
(http://www.mkmotorsport.com/15300ORG_%20PhoroshopSS1.jpg)
(http://www.mkmotorsport.com/apstrap4.jpg)
(http://www.mkmotorsport.com/apstrap.jpg)
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since i am a fan of bigger watches then i say no..keep the pam312..
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Hi there,
I guess subconsciously you already have answer.. ;D
I saw AP more than PAM. ;)
Go for it man, if i were you i will pick the black dial with leather strap.
Cheers,
ck
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AP off course. Such an iconic piece.
Also i dont think the AP is full in house movt. Its a base F.Piguet right?
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Go for AP white dial :thumbsup:
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I have the AP RO. It is a different watch from PAM312L so comparison is tough. My observations on the AP RO that I own: sporty watch, not everyone likes it, classic design, hands and screws on the bezel are white gold - which is nice, watch readability is great despite in 39mm size. So far my negative experience with AP RO are: the bezel is very susceptible to scratches. I have the watch for about 4 months and it already has 2 very visible scratches! The time adjustment is not very precise despite its "famous" in-house movement. For example, when I make time adjustment but upon pressing the crown down, the minute hand moves a bit. May be it is just happening to my watch only but may be it is the movement.
Overall AP RO is a classic sport watch. Despite 39mm size, it is not wearing small. I am happy with it but it is not a perfect watch! I know there is no perfect watch but I like my Glashutte Pano and now the new IWC Port better ;D
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Yes, without batting an eyelid.
Honestly there is nothing much going on with the p9000 of the 312. Besides the AP's pre-owned price takes so much beating, you'll still have some chump change left over if you decide to change IMHO.
Go for it. Get a zero with the leftover with some top up.
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Go for AP ;)
Just make sure you try first don't end up like me I can't pull the AP nicely on my wrist (the lug cant curve nicely to cover my wrist) otherwise I would have one already :HammerHead:
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Perhaps I can offer my observation here. It is based on my sub. I found that if I adjusted the time by turning anti-clockwise and pushed the crown to position 0, the minute hand will jump a "tick". However, if i had adjusted the time clockwise, the minute hand stayed when i returned the crown to position 0. I suppose there is an explanation for this for my sub and could this be the same behavior you have witnessed?
For example, when I make time adjustment but upon pressing the crown down, the minute hand moves a bit. May be it is just happening to my watch only but may be it is the movement.
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This issue is common for some movement.. but it never happen to IWC 7 days movement.. i think it's define how good a movement is being done :thumbsup: I do not expect this happen to some high grade movement to be honest... i do pay attention to this "behavior" when try on the watch sometimes...
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You r right. It shldn't hv had happened to high end mvmt like AP. Now, let find out if it is design flaw or assembly flaw :)
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to convert to strap or not.
what color dial and what color strap.
(http://www.mkmotorsport.com/2008_03_09013.jpg)
(http://www.mkmotorsport.com/15300ORG_%20PhoroshopSS1.jpg)
(http://www.mkmotorsport.com/apstrap4.jpg)
(http://www.mkmotorsport.com/apstrap.jpg)
if you've just gotten a black VC Chrono, then go for white RO for diversity...white also makes the watch looks bigger.i won't mount it on leather strap...original strap itself costs a bomb and it's not easy to change it. AP RO looks better on bracelet.
but i wonder...if you can pull off a pam...AP ROO should not be a prob for you..it's equally chunky
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Ok I went over to AP boutique, they most colors in stock.
Tried on the RO n yes, it sits on wrist comfortably but a bit larger than expected.
The manager at the boutique said it will look much better after the bracelet softens (may doubt that), but she said it'll look a lot better on leather which they may be able to convert for me.
Hmmm, but comparing it with an offshore, WOW!
But I comfirm I m not able to pull a ROO off so a RO is my only choice if AP is the route I go with.
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Ok I went over to AP boutique, they most colors in stock.
Tried on the RO n yes, it sits on wrist comfortably but a bit larger than expected.
The manager at the boutique said it will look much better after the bracelet softens (may doubt that), but she said it'll look a lot better on leather which they may be able to convert for me.
Hmmm, but comparing it with an offshore, WOW!
But I comfirm I m not able to pull a ROO off so a RO is my only choice if AP is the route I go with.
so is it gonna be black or white?