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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: chrisyen on January 22, 2009, 02:16:22 PM
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hi all.... planning for a project watch... any1?
44mm 316L st steel thick cushion or round case.... brushed finish or dlc.... 1000m water resistant
movement eta 2824-2 or miyolta
lug size 24mm
solid case back with custome engrave
clean no logo black dial with best lume c3 / noticlumina
contacted a hong kies who made case for enzo....
minimum order is 100 pieces
any1 interested?
idea / design / commend most welcome!
any1 good a autocad 3d can help is better!
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first sketch
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/sketch1.jpg)
second sketch after some comments
front
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/version1front.jpg)
bezel like ennebi.... plain and simple maybe
dial bit like enzo
military hand
back
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/version1back.jpg)
thick engrave caseback
side
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/version1side.jpg)
bezel side finish like seiko samurai
but still thinking using enzo mechana type of cushion case(42mm).... but 44mm
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Cool project. I would certainly be interested in getting one if the price does not cost me an arm or a leg.
Anyway my personal preference would be:
i) ETA movement rather than Miyota.
ii) Cushion case rather than round.
iii) Lug to lug should not be more than 50mm to better Asian wrists.
The military hands look cool. Any helium release valve?
Any price estimate at the moment?
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Cool project. I would certainly be interested in getting one if the price does not cost me an arm or a leg.
Anyway my personal preference would be:
i) ETA movement rather than Miyota.
ii) Cushion case rather than round.
iii) Lug to lug should not be more than 50mm to better Asian wrists.
The military hands look cool. Any helium release valve?
Any price estimate at the moment?
i also prefer eta 2824-2. so to get eta 2824-2, watch got to send to swiss to assemble, so it is swiss made then otherwise we cant get the movement.
i think cushion will look good.... thats why enzo, shaumberg, ocean7.... all who use the case selling well...
this enzo sold out in very short time... and still ppl looking for it in secondary market now... i was too lucky to have it from enzo free
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/enzo%20EM001/DSC_0033.jpg)
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/DSC_0057.jpg)
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/DSC_0043.jpg)
but we must redesign the crown, dial and hand.... to make it a unique piece!
this cushion case has a short little curve lug... so the 42mm enzo around 48mm lug to lug
the 44mm around 50mm lug to lug....
yes.... you will have helium excapement valve...
if miyolta movement is use... then rm1.2k maybe
if using eta 2824-2 cmovement, price could be around rm2k plus
anyone know any local ppl can got good cnc machine? and can cut out the case? dlc?
pls recommend.... then we can keep the cost low!
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yenfoolun, you have that for free?? Lucky you!!! Tell us your trick :D
Nice watch you got there!
I too prefer ETA movement, around 44mm case (i'm so into panerai now and 44mm is the smallest size to me :P ), if possible, have the diver marking bezel :)
but honestly, how do you want to move this project a head? Do we have to buy all 100case from your friend? roughly what's the cost like?
How about a project for a custom-made panerai-like?? A PVD case, left handle crown, sandwich and 2 hands...kekekekek
cheers!
SC
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if miyolta movement is use... then rm1.2k maybe
if using eta 2824-2 cmovement, price could be around rm2k plus
Sounds reasonable for a one off 100 piece LE watch.
anyone know any local ppl can got good cnc machine? and can cut out the case? dlc?
Sorry. I don't know anyone with a cnc machine. Anybody else here who has the right contacts?
How about a project for a custom-made panerai-like?? A PVD case, left handle crown, sandwich and 2 hands...kekekekek
So are we talking about a second project watch here? ;D
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yenfoolun, you have that for free?? Lucky you!!! Tell us your trick :D
Nice watch you got there!
I too prefer ETA movement, around 44mm case (i'm so into panerai now and 44mm is the smallest size to me :P ), if possible, have the diver marking bezel :)
but honestly, how do you want to move this project a head? Do we have to buy all 100case from your friend? roughly what's the cost like?
How about a project for a custom-made panerai-like?? A PVD case, left handle crown, sandwich and 2 hands...kekekekek
cheers!
SC
i already did a project luminor like watches... only 2 made!
http://www.watchbus.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=30692 (http://www.watchbus.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=30692)
both pvd... 1 with pvd soprod modified pvd movement.... the other 1 is a destro...
both 44mm pvd case
sandwich dial with rc tritec supler luminova c3
both black hands with c3 also
see through case back
pvd pre v buckle...
but both watches bought by taiwansese in the end! alot of ppl asking me to make more.... but
1. i dont feel like faking pam.... i did that for fun
2. i cant source for cheap decorated 6497/6498 now
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i saw kenzo selling 100 pieces of eta 2824....
too bad... i'm not ready on design and not so convince can get 100 ppl to build together now!
ai...
hopefully we can find a guy into high precision cnc nearby! otherwise if the project too expensive... will be very difficult to materialiase!
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Hi yenfoolun,
Thanks for your effort in starting this project. Wish I could help out more. Do keep us updated of the progress.
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update...
i'm getting drawing done as soon...
spec as follow
case - 316l steel beatblaster finish. 44mm in diameter, 48with crown 50-52max lug to lug
wr - 1000m with helium escapement valve
crown - big crown like marathon or seiko samurai
bezel - like ennebi with big diamond shape luminous at 12... and deep engrave of 15, 30 and 4 at 3, 6and 9... side like seiko samurai
strap - thick rubber
buckle - 316l st steel folding buckle with extention... like sinn...
movement - eta 2824-2
dial - black with no logo.... wording of automatic and professional divers 1000m wr yet to be determine....
rolex type maxi dial... with c3 super luminova and sinn ux type of hands.... date at 6...
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Yenfoolun,
From the specs it looks like you have a winner in your hands.
Thanks for the update.
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i wish i can have the photo to show now...
i need to know how many ppl like this and interested get one....
that will proof whether this is a winner!
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i wish i can have the photo to show now...
i need to know how many ppl like this and interested get one....
that will proof whether this is a winner!
You can count on me to get at least one watch. :)
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thanks for your support danny....
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got my design on graphic...
i do not like the crown guard.... any idea how to beautify it?
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/SG38211.jpg)
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looks good..similar to a seiko mm...but the crown guard totally not right...can we do a 'Marathon' type of crown guard..
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Cool! How about this:-
1) No crown guard...
2) the HV at 2 oclock?
3) No wording on the dial?
4) No date and max the marker?
also, the lug is a bit weird..
Just my opinion :)
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yes... decided to take out the crown guard unless have better looking 1...
escapement will not look good at 2... even move crown at 3 to 4.... it proven... most watch with that design
not selling well.... look at shaumburg new 2000m gmt....
i also prefer no wording on dial.... put the professional automatic 1000m all at the case back
date... still considering
yeah man.... max the marker to have more lume!
lug is come with this case.... to have the vintage look.... also to make it more wearable.... (shorter in overall)
50mm from lug to lug.... otherwise alot of our friend cant wear!
but believe me... it will look better in real...
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bezel? any commend?
what about less index? maybe only diamond, 15, 30 and 45!
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Yes to less Index ...with small wording of 15,30 & 45
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yes... the bezel side should look like seiko samurai instead of ennebi
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How about :-
1) One thing i'm not sure, even if the existing Helium release at the 10 oclock, will it functionally work or just design? if it's purely for design, possible to use HV like Rolex SD?
2) How about just put "1000m" on the dial and then max all marker? otherwise i think a clean dial will be unique on its own..
The bezel looks OK in my opinion, diver may need the count down from 15 to end...
cheers!
SC
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Scott...I'm desk diver...not sure can do any countdown or not... :P
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Chris...
Based on the drawings...the hour, minute and second hands look similar to this..
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/magpies14/0102091414.jpg)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/magpies14/DSC_0313.jpg)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/magpies14/DSC_0581.jpg)
this is the Serket Watch ..48mm..
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Cool watch!!! But not sure 48mm will be too big :D Is this yours :)?
I can see a marker (dot) under each number on the bezel..if all market has lumi, it will be nice too :)
Yeah..me too a desk diver LOL!! Dive 8 hours a days...sometime more :D And the counter is important for the end of day count down (check if enough time to say good bye to colleagues, last email, shutting down PC, etc) LOL!!
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bezel... i suggest only keep 15, 30, 45
lume? yes.... for 12 now, 15, 30 and 45 can be filled own... so the letter must bold to make it easier to fill the lume!
dial will be as clean.... case back design i'm working on it... military table type...
the hv is workable.... manually.... not like rolex... part also because of design...
btw, scott... where is your new office? got swimminig pool? u gonna get a diver soon.. :D
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LOL!! My office in uptown now :D No swimming pool except heavy traffic!!
But i maybe taking a Diving course somewhere near May or June if everything work out right (depend my schedule also :))...then maybe i can test some diving watch for you :D
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do u all want logo at both crowns?
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Yenfoolun,
Wow! Fantastic design. I don't think there's much more to improve on the proposed design, but since you asked for feedback on the crown guards, below are 2 possibilities which I find appealing.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3533/3310709303_f8544faf62_o.jpg)
Baume & Mercier.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3190/2645700142_0c9b063f2c.jpg)
Orient Professional Diver with the crown at four o'clock position.
By the way I saw the Baume & Mercier diver going for half price at Emotus KLCC, just in case anyone is interested. As for me I'm saving up for the Yenfoolun Automatic Professional Diver watch. Malaysia Boleh!
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Cool :) Danny, you bought that B&M already ;) The hands look very good!!
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Hi Scott,
I did not buy the B&M. The picture is borrowed from the internet.
I believe the watch is still available at Emotus.
Anyway here's a link to an interesting review comparing the B&M diver to the Orient diver (http://www.gmtplusnine.com/2007/03/31/musings-on-yellow/), both with yellow dials.
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those crown guard built on the case...
but for the case i chosen... we need to add on... so bit different...
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(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/SG38211-1.jpg)
overall better now... i changed
1. bezel side... from change to 4 screws...
2. bezel marker reduce to on 15, 30, 45
3. earliest ugly crown guard
4. second hands...
5. helium valve crown finishing
but i may still need to improve
1. bigger bezel???
2. max max max the dial marker.... luminous at 6 just too small
3. luminous on tip of second hand
4. broader hour and min hands.... minute hand must point up to min marker
5. shorter bit on crown guard...
and if the crown too bit... i may make a destro instead...
otherwise i need to make a thicker caseback... so that the crown wound touch our hand easily!
now yet to decide is
1. any logo we want to put at dial / both crowns, caseback buckle!
2. what type of buckle? rolex/seiko type of double lock? or normal thick big pin bukle?
3. what wording to put at case back.... i suggest to put in table
1. automatic ETA 2824-2
2. Professional DIVERS
3. 1000m water resistant
4. Swiss Made
5. 316L Stainless Steel
6. ????? mwf ????
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chris...
added some minor changes..
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/magpies14/SG38211-1.jpg)
But would like to see the breitling crown..
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/magpies14/ResizeofIMG_3405.jpg)
or the Marathon's crown guard..
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/magpies14/IMG_0639.jpg)
But i've always love the Bathy's..
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/magpies14/Stephen_Bathys_Benthic_Silver107upl.jpg)
Just some foods for thought...
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Hi Yenfoolun,
Wonderful job. The design is looking great. Would like to share my thoughts below (in blue italic text).
overall better now... i changed
1. bezel side... from change to 4 screws... Are the screws on the sides of the bezel functional or decorative?
2. bezel marker reduce to on 15, 30, 45
3. earliest ugly crown guard
4. second hands...
5. helium valve crown finishing
but i may still need to improve
1. bigger bezel??? Not at the expense of dial size. May affect legibility.
2. max max max the dial marker.... luminous at 6 just too small Agreed.
3. luminous on tip of second hand Agreed. Perhaps small circle similar to Sub.
4. broader hour and min hands.... minute hand must point up to min marker Agreed.
5. shorter bit on crown guard... Maybe just a tiny bit shorter.
and if the crown too bit... i may make a destro instead...
otherwise i need to make a thicker caseback... so that the crown wound touch our hand easily! What is the expected case thickness?
now yet to decide is
1. any logo we want to put at dial / both crowns, caseback buckle! I would prefer a clean logoless dial.
2. what type of buckle? rolex/seiko type of double lock? or normal thick big pin bukle? Pin buckle gets my vote.
3. what wording to put at case back.... i suggest to put in table
1. automatic ETA 2824-2
2. Professional DIVERS
3. 1000m water resistant
4. Swiss Made
5. 316L Stainless Steel
6. ????? mwf ????
How about the stating the total production run on the case back? Ltd Edition 50 pcs or 100 pcs?
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danny,
1. screws on bezel side........ so that bezel wont came of and also use for easier turning bezel
2. bigger bezel... maybe not, its already max... i agreed with u.... dial size cant be any smaller!
3. luminous at tip of second hand..... not sure round a rectangle will look gd.... but full red is no gd now...
4. yeah... just little shorter from crown will do...
5. thickness.... at i'm 1st talking bout a very thick case.... since 1000m... it cant be thin... and it wont look good... never expect something like rolex sub kind of thickness... so probably around 15mm at first.... but case back must be thicker to push the watch crown away from hand.... otherwise it will scratch on hand when we wear it.... will work out the side graphic
6. logoless.... yeah... i always like no logo...
7. pin buckle? type????
8. no of production.... gd idea.... but not sure how many of us wants it... let see...
one more thing.... crystal - 5.5mm? dome or flat? i prefer little dome actually...
ar coating got to makesure they use a gd 1.... not like those fake pam see blue at most angle!
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Yenfoolun,
By pin buckle type I was referring to the large Panerai tang type buckle.
A domed crystal would be nice but how damaging will it be to our wallet? :D
I agree with you on the bluish ARs found on the fake PAMs. You can spot them from a mile away.
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pre v buckle?
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Yes. Pre vendome type buckles would be cool.
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any more commend?
is this looking good?
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/SG38211-2.jpg)
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Absolutely cool. Time for a design freeze I say.
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i was thinking if they can make the auto hv like rolex i ma get rid of the hv control crown
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The hv crown looks kinda cool to me. Adds to the ruggedness of the watch.
Just my 2 cents.
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Hi the watch looks like its coming to birth, I too like the manual helium valve at 10
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will compare.... if it look better with hv crown... then let it be there
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graphic done... pls give your comments!
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/sg3821.jpg)
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Looks excellent to me. Time to take orders?
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lol....
i still asking for side view...
then will confirm measurement...
try to ask for a prototype.... get final quote...
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Yes, please keep us posted.
DC
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i really prefer to have the hv crown after seeing this!
right?
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/sg3821wholewithoutthehelium.jpg)
some1 from taiwan wanted to book 4 nos now.... i guess i got to work harder to push for this project!
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Yenfoolun,
Orders from Taiwan also. This has turned into an international project. Enzo Mechana had better watch out ;)
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Yenfoolun,
Orders from Taiwan also. This has turned into an international project. Enzo Mechana had better watch out ;)
this taiwanese bought my project watch last time.... so mailed me asking my latest project...
so i shown him the graphic and told him my planning.... he like it very much... without asking price straight away asked me reserve for 4 nos! i think i sold him my project watch at very good price last time....
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the side is wrong to me....
other than that? any comment?
should be thicker ? caseback and bezel?
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/3D_letherstrap.jpg)
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/c.jpg)
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1? 44? 49 ? 77? 88? 99 booked
pls pm no u want if u interested
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74 booked
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whole watch cost RM1,688 + shipping....
will start collecting deposit when drawing done.... now pending 3d cad drawing.... the side is wrong!
deposit/booking RM500 !
balance 1188 + shipping before delivery !
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Yenfoolun,
That's great news. Count me in.
:Cheers:
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bro...if you are still in the market for the ETA-2824...you can check this link out ..
http://www.timetechtalk.com/view_topic.php?id=15914&forum_id=36
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bro...if you are still in the market for the ETA-2824...you can check this link out ..
http://www.timetechtalk.com/view_topic.php?id=15914&forum_id=36
the seller can find the movement now... so no need to send swiss.... thats why price below 2k now....
if we want it assemble in swiss... cost will increase usd60 -80
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Ok i'm in bro....let me know when to deposit the RM500...
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Ok i'm in bro....let me know when to deposit the RM500...
what number u want?
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no.10 if got...
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pls give your final comment....
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/sg3821-2824-1.jpg)
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/sg3821-2824-1.jpg)
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/sg3821-2824-3.jpg)
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/sg3821-2824-4.jpg)
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/sg3821-2824-5.jpg)
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/sg3821-2824-6.jpg)
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/sg3821-2824-8.jpg)
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/sg3821-2824-7.jpg)
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/yenfoolun/sg3821-2824-9.jpg)
1. manufacturer forgot to include my caseback design
2. the bezel screws do not seem function to me.... but it did look good
3. the bezel engraved 15, 30, 45 supposed to be no black paint.... you guys want lume?
4. we need photo with dial and hands...
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no.10 if got...
10 is urs bro
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spec as follow
diameter = 45mm
thickness =15.50mm
lug to lug length = 48mm
lug width =24.00mm
crown diameter =9.00mm
hv crown diameter =6.50mm
ar coated inside sapphire crytasl thickness = 4.50mm
with the short lug.... small wrist malaysian.... no problem.... it fit well even u hv a 6" wrist....
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pls give your final comment....
3. the bezel engraved 15, 30, 45 supposed to be no black paint.... you guys want lume?
Looking good. :thumbsup:
Just one minor feedback.
I would prefer to leave the engraved numerals without lume but maybe painted black for improved legibility.
What do you guys think?
:Cheers:
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hey bros...just wondering after looking at the watch design...would it be better to remove the bezel indicators (15,30,45) ???
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i've compared between
1. engrave
2. no engrave
3. engrave with black paint
4. lume
1. give u a feel of solid piece of divers.... (some who want to lume it, can be done later )
2. look smaller and a big chunk of steel
3. better legibility but bit weird with overall design..... because 12 is lume... and then future u cant lume it....
4. it disturb time reading in dark... i prefer not to..... eventhough it may look nice....