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Title: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: ttfjon on July 28, 2010, 12:33:40 PM
Hello Sifus,

As someone new in watch collecting, I would like to get your opinions on the relative standing among the 5 watch brands.  I have excluded the exclusive luxury brands which are of course higher than these 5 brands.

Thanks.
Jon
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Satnding
Post by: ck77 on July 28, 2010, 12:37:35 PM
Can't really compare besides the price and market share.
If you talking about history, quality, finishing etc.
Those are very subjective.
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: swleong on July 28, 2010, 01:38:43 PM
I'm not sifu, but my ranking is as follows:-
1) IWC  - just love it!
2) Pam - still the 'In' thingy now
3) Rolex - needless to say
4) Omega - a bit too mainstream
5) Breitling - just not the fan of complicated dial design...
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: adrian on July 28, 2010, 02:14:34 PM
I'm not sifu, but my ranking is as follows:-
1) IWC  - just love it!
2) Pam - still the 'In' thingy now
3) Rolex - needless to say
4) Omega - a bit too mainstream
5) Breitling - just not the fan of complicated dial design...

Same here.
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Satnding
Post by: kltime on July 28, 2010, 02:48:48 PM
Can't really compare besides the price and market share.
If you talking about history, quality, finishing etc.
Those are very subjective.

Agreed...each person has his own criterias whn purchasing a watch...
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: peanut on July 28, 2010, 02:56:07 PM
I'm not sifu, but my ranking is as follows:-
1) IWC  - just love it!
2) Pam - still the 'In' thingy now
3) Rolex - needless to say
4) Omega - a bit too mainstream
5) Breitling - just not the fan of complicated dial design...
I believe there was a prior discussion on this a while back.  If you rank by brand then you are making a lot of generalizations and of course this will result in a lot of arguements/contentions.  Even for IWC, I only like Big Pilot, Portuguese and Ingenieur.  

On the ranking for the watch brands you mentioned, my personal view is that IWC generally is considered higher rated than Rolex, PAM and Omega.  Breitling is probably one level below the three.  But then the Rolex guys will be upset and will mention that Daytona is probably as desirable and good as comparable IWC.  I have since give up this ranking thing and buy whatever that I like.  My rationale is unless I can afford to buy MB&F, Gruebel Forsey, Richard Mille, etc, there is no point to rank all these "inferior" brands   ;D  
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: swleong on July 28, 2010, 04:01:28 PM
arguing which brand is better is pointless, but rank your personal favorite brands of watches is all about passion  :Cheers:, just like no contention is required debating who is sexier between Magen Fox and Angelina Jolie 
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: peanut on July 28, 2010, 04:08:36 PM
arguing which brand is better is pointless, but rank your personal favorite brands of watches is all about passion  :Cheers:, just like no contention is required debating who is sexier between Magen Fox and Angelina Jolie 
Sorry ... Megan Fox IS sexier!  Angelina Jolie WAS sexy  ;D   
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: jacky8888 on July 29, 2010, 06:04:24 AM
my PERSONAL preference would be:
1)IWC
2)Rolex
3)Omega
4)PAM
5)Breitling

p.s. i am not sifu either.. :Cheers:
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: ttfjon on July 29, 2010, 08:06:23 AM
From the comments so far, it appears that Breitling almost always appears at the bottom in terms of preference.  Do you mind sharing why Breitling is not so 'desirable'?  Is it appearence, reliability, price, etc?
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: peanut on July 29, 2010, 09:18:17 AM
From the comments so far, it appears that Breitling almost always appears at the bottom in terms of preference.  Do you mind sharing why Breitling is not so 'desirable'?  Is it appearence, reliability, price, etc?
Breitling positions itself as "instruments for professionals" - i.e. a tool watch most of the times.  So its products are usually highly functional, reliable but almost seldom excessive.  This may appeal to some but it will never match the top luxury brands where cost is not an issue/design consideration.  I am only aware of their innovations on slide rule bezel and super quartz movement but their mechanical in house movement is only very recently and limited to very few of its products.  In other words, Breitling is not usually seen as a leader in mechnical watches in terms of leading edge design, innovations, etc. 
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: Samajaya168 on July 29, 2010, 11:57:54 AM
here is how i c it  :mooning:


Rolex - chinaman malaysia
Omega - chinaman china
IWC - chinaman soon 2 b... i think
PAM - kiasu man - spore / kai si man HK
Breitling - typical kwai low

 :Laughing_on_floor:
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: kltime on July 29, 2010, 12:44:24 PM

[/quote]Sorry ... Megan Fox IS sexier!  Angelina Jolie WAS sexy  ;D   
[/quote]

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: collatzer on August 01, 2010, 10:20:53 AM
From the comments so far, it appears that Breitling almost always appears at the bottom in terms of preference.  Do you mind sharing why Breitling is not so 'desirable'?  Is it appearence, reliability, price, etc?
Breitling positions itself as "instruments for professionals" - i.e. a tool watch most of the times.  So its products are usually highly functional, reliable but almost seldom excessive.  This may appeal to some but it will never match the top luxury brands where cost is not an issue/design consideration.  I am only aware of their innovations on slide rule bezel and super quartz movement but their mechanical in house movement is only very recently and limited to very few of its products.  In other words, Breitling is not usually seen as a leader in mechnical watches in terms of leading edge design, innovations, etc. 
breitling fans is here :Laughing_on_floor:..currently it's inhouse movement is only on Chronomat B01.as per their stupid MD replied, next inhouse most probably will mf in the next 5 years. B01in others product? hopefully will see it on 2011 basel fair :HammerHead: :HammerHead:
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: hotshothunk on April 25, 2012, 09:20:43 AM
im a fan of IWC. brietling's designs r a little complicated. everything's just cramped in the dial.
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: JOS2012 on April 25, 2012, 09:51:38 AM
I would think it is better to compare specific models of different brands viz-a-viz each other either in similar price range or complication regardless of price.

Even top brands have lemons or nothing spectacular..

Although I have my favourite manufactures but I still desire only a few models from each of them. The rest do not appeal to me in the least.
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: JayJay on April 25, 2012, 02:37:08 PM
Rolex watch fir keep to pass on to next generation.

Dont waste time, buy rolex
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: Henry133 on April 25, 2012, 04:01:56 PM
I thought PP for next generation...:)

Dont waste your youth..buy PP
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: dsiewmy on April 25, 2012, 05:41:47 PM
i think the way you are asking to rank these brands are not really correct.
you should ask to rank in terms of something ... i.e. brand perceived value, retail vs 2nd hand value, strength of community, strength of manufacture, etc.

cos i think u are confusing yourself if you just leave it too general.
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: gloomis on April 25, 2012, 08:10:38 PM
previously if u ask me n i will tell u
1.rolex
2.pam
3.iwc
4.omega
5.breitling

today if u ask me....i will tell u my mind is all about 3 digit....
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: IWCking on April 27, 2012, 10:54:35 PM
Well, rollie is kind of most recognised and like in asia if you asked me. Indeed, asian collectors these days talk about PPPR (PP, AP, Pam and Rollie).

IWC used to be very prestigious but some people sense that it kind of losing out a bit after being bought over by a conglomerate. I was told that last time the entire town lived by IWC, everyone worked for iwc. But that strong tradition is fading these days.

Omega is also very popular in asia. But my personal opinion is that rollie is perceived as slightly premier than omega.

Pam gained popularity during last 10 years due to richemont's good marketing strategic. But a lot of pam critics think that pam is just some 'worthless' brands which use ultra big case to attract attention.

All breitling are certified with COSC for many years. So breitling is famous for its accuracy.

Well, all in all, its a bit hard to compare which is good and which is better. Everyone has his poison. To sum up, I will say rollie is for 'status' and reliability, iwc is more of elegant design and very famous watch maker, pam is very unique look and trendy these days, omega is very well known and popular, breitling is sporty and accurate. So you will have to be very specific on what you really want to know?
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: sm on April 30, 2012, 10:36:49 PM
I think it is not correct to group these 5 brands together. Rolex is too far apart from the rest in terms of brand value, prestige and reliability. It is the top ten most valuable luxurious goods and the only watch brand in the top ten listing. To side track, the most valuable brand on luxury goods is LV. Amongst others are Ferrari, CD, Chanel Merc etc.

Rolex sponsors all major sporting events the likes of golf and tennis.

IWC most popular and iconic model is the classic dressy Portugese range. If we talk about a good dress watch non-bling, Portugese stands equal to AP 15300 and JLC.

Panerai is hot now with the growing wealth among the younger generation. It needs time to develop the depth in watch making but make no mistake, some of the models are really beautiful.

There are some who called Omega, the Volvo in the watch industry (pun intended). Good machine, reliable and well represented with wide range of models but cannot and will not be the Merc or BMW or Audi in the industry.

Breitling came in with a bang but is considerable quiet now.

Actually watch making is a tough business for the other brands. Rolex and AP(lets forget bout PP) has taken the lead for too long that it is very difficult to dislodge them from the pole
position. Panerai is still new in this business. I am sure Rolex has already develop its range of models for Basel 2015.
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: Godzillaz on May 01, 2012, 05:35:13 AM
From what you write you are basically saying the position of these 5 watch company is judge by its brand value?

Rolex and AP taken the lead? What lead are you referring, sales, branding or popularity? 

I am not sure what are you trying to say here.

Regards
Tyler

I think it is not correct to group these 5 brands together. Rolex is too far apart from the rest in terms of brand value, prestige and reliability. It is the top ten most valuable luxurious goods and the only watch brand in the top ten listing. To side track, the most valuable brand on luxury goods is LV. Amongst others are Ferrari, CD, Chanel Merc etc.

Rolex sponsors all major sporting events the likes of golf and tennis.

IWC most popular and iconic model is the classic dressy Portugese range. If we talk about a good dress watch non-bling, Portugese stands equal to AP 15300 and JLC.

Panerai is hot now with the growing wealth among the younger generation. It needs time to develop the depth in watch making but make no mistake, some of the models are really beautiful.

There are some who called Omega, the Volvo in the watch industry (pun intended). Good machine, reliable and well represented with wide range of models but cannot and will not be the Merc or BMW or Audi in the industry.

Breitling came in with a bang but is considerable quiet now.

Actually watch making is a tough business for the other brands. Rolex and AP(lets forget bout PP) has taken the lead for too long that it is very difficult to dislodge them from the pole
position. Panerai is still new in this business. I am sure Rolex has already develop its range of models for Basel 2015.
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: sm on May 01, 2012, 07:09:11 AM
Hi
I mean brand prestige and perceived value, in general.
I refer to the topic 'brands of higher standing' and IMO Rolex should be classified w AP, JLC etc.

As I travel to Spore HK, I realise how strong the status of Rolex AP Lange (lets not talk bout PP). Well it is strictly my opinion.
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: kamalys on May 01, 2012, 03:39:02 PM
I would have to go for Rolex first. The watch speaks for itself. Then i have to go for Omega. James Bond preferred brand ;)
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: IWCking on May 01, 2012, 09:31:50 PM
well, rollie is pretty much just like a merc benz. I do not think that its anyway close to a AP, PP or VC. Rollie just like Merc Benz is probably the best known brand among general publics, but collectors will prefer to go for more exclusive brands. AP roughly makes 30,000 watches each year by hand. Rollie easily makes a million a year by machine. If money is not an issue, guess collectors will want to have porsche, bentley or maserati, ferrari etc and not just a 'merc benz'. Dont get me wrong. I am not saying that rollie is no good. Indeed, rollie is probably the most successful commercial watch brand. That's it.

Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: Godzillaz on May 02, 2012, 06:53:55 AM
Seeing more of it doesn't mean anything.

There's way more Myvi on the road than M5. Now I can't say a Myvi's status is stronger than a M5, can I?

But you're right on 1 thing. Rolex does a wonderful job on marketing so much so that people perceived them as the same rank as AP, JLC etc.

Regards
Tyler

Hi
I mean brand prestige and perceived value, in general.
I refer to the topic 'brands of higher standing' and IMO Rolex should be classified w AP, JLC etc.

As I travel to Spore HK, I realise how strong the status of Rolex AP Lange (lets not talk bout PP). Well it is strictly my opinion.
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: ivanpei on May 02, 2012, 06:59:40 AM
IMO, from your average watch noob youngster from the street:

1. Rollie- Still number one lar, everyone thinks of this first. Datejust/Sub instantly recognisable. Mainly bought by businessman/professionals to show that they have "made it".
2. Omega- Still considered number two by most people. Watch snobs/sifus will probably think Omegas are boring compared to the others, but it's an established brand that everyone knows lar. Also compared to Rollie, the quality is almost the same or sometimes even better than Rollie. But you are paying half, and you are also getting half the brand name recognition also lar.

3. Brietling/IWC/Panerai- Tied now as the "outside" luxury brands prefered by watch sifus and collectors. Of course if you are a watch enthusiast, you will rank these higher than Omega and maybe even Rollie lar.

At the higher end spectrum, I think AP and PP are king lar. VC, Lange etc not as known by general public. Even when I was young, I've heard of rich uncles with the "better than Rolex" Patek.
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: Godzillaz on May 03, 2012, 07:37:13 AM
IMO, from your average watch noob youngster from the street:

1. Rollie- Still number one lar, everyone thinks of this first. Datejust/Sub instantly recognisable. Mainly bought by businessman/professionals to show that they have "made it".

True. :)


2. Omega- Still considered number two by most people. Watch snobs/sifus will probably think Omegas are boring compared to the others, but it's an established brand that everyone knows lar. Also compared to Rollie, the quality is almost the same or sometimes even better than Rollie. But you are paying half, and you are also getting half the brand name recognition also lar.

Not anymore. Have you seen prices of these new omega lately? Also more people know Omega in China and Rado is the King in Vietnam. HK, UK, India and US are the place where Rolex is famous. Go to Japan and you will feel different. 


3. Brietling/IWC/Panerai- Tied now as the "outside" luxury brands prefered by watch sifus and collectors. Of course if you are a watch enthusiast, you will rank these higher than Omega and maybe even Rollie lar.

I don't know where you got the idea of Breitling is tied with Panerai or even rank above Omega. You seriously would choose a Breitling Chronomat over Omega Planet Ocean Chrono?


At the higher end spectrum, I think AP and PP are king lar. VC, Lange etc not as known by general public. Even when I was young, I've heard of rich uncles with the "better than Rolex" Patek.

You mean King in terms of sales?

Regards
Tyler
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: ivanpei on May 03, 2012, 12:19:25 PM
@ Godzillaz, yup, Omegas are getting really expensive. Luckily I jumped on the boat and bought a modified Valjoux 7750 SMP Chrono Diver while they are still cheap (like only 400 more than the 2500 Coaxial normal SMP). In China/Japan I agree Omega > China. I even saw Omega ads in Japanese Mangas. Talk about product placement!

I guess in Malaysia, Rolex is still more known lar, because all the successful uncle/aunties are wearing a half gold sub/dj. Because of that, under-thirty working execs might not want to buy it as well. When choosing my wedding gift, really cannot get a Rollie, because I have to wait till I am 30++ to wear it, unless it is a Stainless steel Sub/Deep Sea, then that one is not so flashy. In this case, I agree Omega SMP/Speedies are the best value for money and most suitable for Under 30s young execs.

For Brietling/IWC imo really low key in Malaysia lar. I'm not sure about other countries. Haven't really heard much about them. Panerai's quite big now, I think because alot of big stars are wearing them like Stallone, Jason Statham etc. I'm not into leather watches so I still prefer Omega Divers.

But even then I gatal Rolex because it's still a ROLEX. I'm looking for an old (> 10 yrs) Black Sub just to cure my gatalness. I think I will alternate with my Chronodiver as my daily watch. I like the looks and feel of the Omega SMP Chrono more (my dad has a Sub), but I still want a Rollie.

As for the high end, yup AP/PP probably king in sales and mass popularity. I can spot a Nautilus/Calatrava/RO/ROO, but I don't think I can recognise any of the other models. But if talking about super rare high end piece, then Lange and VC have some beautiful ones lar, but the brands are not as known outside the WIS circles. This is coming from my own opinion as a watch noob. I cannot afford but I like dreaming.  :Cheers:  :thumbsup:

But the Omega Skeleton Tourbillion is also super ultra highend.   :o :o :o My dream watch! First thing I will buy if I win Lotto. Hahaha!

Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: G.MAC on May 03, 2012, 12:49:20 PM
As for the high end, yup AP/PP probably king in sales and mass popularity.
I can agree with all except this. AP/PP still not king of sales and mass popularity. People would be more keen to go for full gold rolex anytime then spend the same amount on a steel PP. They would be the preferred brand among the WIS only.
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: sm on May 04, 2012, 10:08:42 PM
This thread is really provoking! I am happy to learn from all the experts- how learned and informed ppl look at different brands. There is so much to learn from mwf.
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: Godzillaz on May 04, 2012, 10:24:30 PM
The WIS brand are brands most people wouldn't buy.

Few example

Lange: a simple 3 hand watch set you back about 5x,000. No one will recognize it, some may laugh at you when you tell them the price.

H.Moser: a perpetual for less than 160k. Super movement fine finish but will you get one instead of a Patek?

Credor: The top end model are what Japanese finest workmanship can offer (better than most swiss even PP), however at over 70k, will you choose tis over a Royal Oak?

What I mean to say is there is watch brand and there's watch brand.

Status watch?
Marketing Hype?
True craftsmanship?

It takes time to know them all but that what makes it fun.

Regards
Tyler


As for the high end, yup AP/PP probably king in sales and mass popularity.
I can agree with all except this. AP/PP still not king of sales and mass popularity. People would be more keen to go for full gold rolex anytime then spend the same amount on a steel PP. They would be the preferred brand among the WIS only.
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: ivanpei on May 07, 2012, 07:11:40 AM
Haha, when I see a Daytona SS, I think he is a WIS already because for that money most people go for a Half Gold Rolex with diamonds etc d. So AP, Patek, VC etc for me are very very WIS. The watch brands you mentioned are even higher up the food chain, hahahaha.
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: JOS2012 on May 25, 2012, 08:56:43 AM
I totally agree that you need to have a basis of the ranking..and then that ranking serves only that categorisation..
Ranked on perceived value? on technical quality of movement? on re-sale? on popularity? on endorsements ? on volume sales? or pricing ? on recognition by the general public?

I'm no sifu but working in a MNC & being in charge of the group's marketing & branding, I may be able to understand a little on such issues.
You need to look at the basis and also the authority that ranks these so-called 'top 10 luxury or valuable brands'. Even Nielsen or Synovate ratings are not all encompassing as it depends on the coverage and quality of their sampling rates for that particular survey.
Most times these rankings are based on declared sales (either in value or in volume) amongst several other things but that itself is skewed as pricing plays a part. Of coz you can only sell at a price that the market supports so then you look at your target market and how to develop your marketing spin.

LV may be amongst the top 10 luxury brands in bags but I'd bet a that Bottega Veneta or heck...any unbranded leather item made by an artisan firm with 200 years in the business somewhere in Florence or Tuscany would anytime be higher in quality, durability, exclusivity and whatever else than a LV, regardless of cost, except for perhaps only market perception of the brand or lack of brand....

Ranked by whom and for whom?... the man on the street who has no interest hence little knowledge of that product and goes by hearsay/friend's recommendations or the specific interest group that spends more effort in an informed decision 

I think it is not correct to group these 5 brands together. Rolex is too far apart from the rest in terms of brand value, prestige and reliability. It is the top ten most valuable luxurious goods and the only watch brand in the top ten listing. To side track, the most valuable brand on luxury goods is LV. Amongst others are Ferrari, CD, Chanel Merc etc.


Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: terrenceterrence on May 25, 2012, 09:09:39 AM
anything is only worth as much as the man on the street is willing to pay.

so ranking is very subjective.... everything is but a spin. Just like when i was looking through a brochure of American colleges.
One touted themselves as one of the top 5 "all business college in the country". A quick check on the net surfaced that there were only 5 all business colleges in the country  :Laughing_on_floor:
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: JOS2012 on May 25, 2012, 09:18:28 AM
I'd like to hire that marketing guy..... :thumbsup:

One touted themselves as one of the top 5 "all business college in the country". A quick check on the net surfaced that there were only 5 all business colleges in the country  :Laughing_on_floor:
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: GMTmaster on June 04, 2012, 08:23:48 PM
My ranking among these 5 brands are:

IWC
ROLEX
PAM
BREITLING
OMEGA

Bear in mind, I am a novice in watch collection. I did the above based on my understanding of the watch market in Malaysia and the images that they portray through their advertisements.

I used to like BREITLING brand, maybe it is due the fact that I like flying, and have had the intention of learning to fly one day..... :laugh:
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: Mark on June 05, 2012, 06:07:08 AM
My thought:

Rolex
Omega
Pam
IWC
Breitling

Hehe  :Cheers:
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: scalpel72 on June 05, 2012, 08:46:05 AM
My 2c worth:

Rolex- will always be number 1 amongst non WIS, great resale value
IWC- in-house and fantastic complications
Panerai- growing in popularity, currently the "in" brand
Omega - well known and enduring. Proven quality
Breitling- Except for the Navitimer, very bland for me
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: MRH on June 05, 2012, 04:18:25 PM
My take on this:-

Everyone who's into watches except for me wants a Rolex on their hands. I prefer an Omega. It is after all, 007's choice.

Everyone who's starting to like watches wants a Panerai but I'll take an IWC anytime. 

Breitling, functional and almost always, the automatics come with chronometer certs....

Forget about ranking when the criteria and parameters are not set. Besides, buy what looks good by your own eyes and feels good on your hand. Forget marketing hype.

Consider this, Hublot not so long ago was a new brand in the market but with its marketing blitz and celebs wearing their bling-bling creations, it is now considered by some a premium brand. In fact, only recently it started to create it's own movements.


Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: terrenceterrence on June 05, 2012, 04:43:47 PM
hahah Omega is the producer's choice. Fleming's choice for Bond is still only Rolex.

even in the new official Bond novel, Rolex is still the choice. But of course in the movies, Omega's money talks.  :Laughing_on_floor:

Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: ck77 on June 05, 2012, 07:47:06 PM
Omega 007's choice?

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s246/ongck77/Submariner-6538-in-Dr_-No-getreplic.jpg)
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: Godzillaz on June 09, 2012, 09:08:02 AM
after Rolex and way before Omega, there is Seiko. Beware of the land of the rising sun ...
(http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/w501/TdBean/revolution-magazine-james-bond-seiko-watches-dell-deaton-page-129.jpg)
(source from revolution magazine)

Bond is not a 1 lady type of man. Certainly not a 1 watch brand kinda spy  :P

Funny he choose seiko before omega ...

Regards
Tyler
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: kenstylo on June 11, 2012, 12:33:41 PM
Hi all, a newbie here....  I'm no watch collector & definitely not qualified as critique.

I actually do own 5 of the brands mentioned in the thread.

My latest 3 watches are Pam.  >.<

Jz to speak out for pam wearers (not owners)

U see, despite movement, historical value, status & all, Pam is not jz for kaisu segment.  It is actually the 1st watch that truly induce impulsive possession.  The 1st impulse in seeing it is: "beauty in simplicity(most man like that), I wanna wear it".....

My other brands have not seen daylight till now then......

Purely speaking from the points of watch wearer...... Pam is the watch you wanna put on your wrist & reluctant to take down.....  :)

Don't shoot...........
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: ck77 on June 11, 2012, 12:48:30 PM
Hi all, a newbie here....  I'm no watch collector & definitely not qualified as critique.

I actually do own 5 of the brands mentioned in the thread.

My latest 3 watches are Pam.  >.<

Jz to speak out for pam wearers (not owners)

U see, despite movement, historical value, status & all, Pam is not jz for kaisu segment.  It is actually the 1st watch that truly induce impulsive possession.  The 1st impulse in seeing it is: "beauty in simplicity(most man like that), I wanna wear it".....

My other brands have not seen daylight till now then......

Purely speaking from the points of watch wearer...... Pam is the watch you wanna put on your wrist & reluctant to take down.....  :)

Don't shoot...........
No one is gonna shoot you.
Post some pictures of your pam.
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: gloomis on June 11, 2012, 03:02:13 PM
Hi all, a newbie here....  I'm no watch collector & definitely not qualified as critique.

I actually do own 5 of the brands mentioned in the thread.

My latest 3 watches are Pam.  >.<

Jz to speak out for pam wearers (not owners)

U see, despite movement, historical value, status & all, Pam is not jz for kaisu segment.  It is actually the 1st watch that truly induce impulsive possession.  The 1st impulse in seeing it is: "beauty in simplicity(most man like that), I wanna wear it".....

My other brands have not seen daylight till now then......

Purely speaking from the points of watch wearer...... Pam is the watch you wanna put on your wrist & reluctant to take down.....  :)

Don't shoot...........

a great comment.....i support u  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: dpkong on June 11, 2012, 06:25:30 PM
Hi all, a newbie here....  I'm no watch collector & definitely not qualified as critique.

I actually do own 5 of the brands mentioned in the thread.

My latest 3 watches are Pam.  >.<

Jz to speak out for pam wearers (not owners)

U see, despite movement, historical value, status & all, Pam is not jz for kaisu segment.  It is actually the 1st watch that truly induce impulsive possession.  The 1st impulse in seeing it is: "beauty in simplicity(most man like that), I wanna wear it".....

My other brands have not seen daylight till now then......

Purely speaking from the points of watch wearer...... Pam is the watch you wanna put on your wrist & reluctant to take down.....  :)

Don't shoot...........

not to incite the Panerai owners but I find nothing interesting about them at all. so while you may like them tremendously, others may not.
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: kenstylo on June 11, 2012, 07:47:35 PM
Totally agree.  One man's honey is another man's poison.....

I was poisoned by Pam.....
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: gloomis on June 11, 2012, 07:48:52 PM
true....coz pam is juz a very simple watch which alot think is overpriced.  :Laughing_on_floor:
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: gloomis on June 11, 2012, 07:49:35 PM
Totally agree.  One man's honey is another man's poison.....

I was poisoned by Pam.....

y u nvr attend our pam gtg? u miss a great pam gathering
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: G.MAC on June 11, 2012, 08:39:19 PM
I think at the end of the day, there are only standings on a personal level and on the market value level. Anyone can give any ranking on a personal level. But for a market level, the standing for the 5 would be Rolex, Panerai, IWC or Omega, Breitling. Panerai is not so consistent on the used market as some models ( the brevettatos and the marina militare) fetch a very hefty price tag whilst others (historic and contemporary range) fetch a good price depending on the season and demand. The chrono, regattas and the smaller models dont do very well in the market. This is my experience as I was selling my collection to fund for grails. Just my few cents.
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: IWCking on June 11, 2012, 09:11:47 PM
Look wise, Pam definitely stand out among these 5. of course there are some people who dont agree. Just like some people insisted that rollie look ugly and old biscuit. anyway, pam is popular cult now. Dont think it will be out of market that easily. of course, i do have some reservations on its own movement, especially those with grand complications.

i agreed with gmac that resell market wise, its not consistent yet. been that done there for more than 5 years, i wont hesitate to sell my pam now.
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: kenstylo on June 11, 2012, 09:29:39 PM


y u nvr attend our pam gtg? u miss a great pam gathering
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I jz joined MWF...

Next time mate........
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: Godzillaz on June 12, 2012, 08:10:26 PM
I think ... ... if I may

Sales
1. Rolex (no surprise)
2. Omega
3. Breitling
4. IWC
5. Panerai

Brand Equity
1. Rolex
2. Omega
3. Breitling
4. Panerai
5. IWC

Resell Value (in general, not counting rare model)
1. Rolex
2. Panerai
3. Omega
4. IWC
5. Breitling


but what's the point of all this? I doubt I will buy a watch based on these factors.

Maybe we should do a thread of "ur favorite model of xx brand" :)

Regards
Tyler
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: fidoneo on June 12, 2012, 08:34:54 PM
I think ... ... if I may

Sales
1. Rolex (no surprise)
2. Omega
3. Breitling
4. IWC
5. Panerai

Brand Equity
1. Rolex
2. Omega
3. Breitling
4. Panerai
5. IWC

Resell Value (in general, not counting rare model)
1. Rolex
2. Panerai
3. Omega
4. IWC
5. Breitling


but what's the point of all this? I doubt I will buy a watch based on these factors.

Maybe we should do a thread of "ur favorite model of xx brand" :)

Regards
Tyler

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Panerai, IWC, Breitling, Rolex, Omega Standing
Post by: terrenceterrence on June 12, 2012, 09:59:39 PM
 :laugh: :Cheers:

here is how i c it  :mooning:


Rolex - chinaman malaysia
Omega - chinaman china
IWC - chinaman soon 2 b... i think
PAM - kiasu man - spore / kai si man HK
Breitling - typical kwai low

 :Laughing_on_floor: