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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: ExplorerII on July 15, 2014, 04:41:46 PM
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Help! I am now in a dilemma! :Mad: Walked into the AD to pull the trigger on the sub c nd, and decided (wrong decision!) to take a look at the Panerais.
Bottom line......I had to walk out as I had second thoughts about the sub c.
Any other forum members have this problem? I only have enough for one...
which would you choose? Panerai or Rolex? And Why?
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Hi Explorer
Your name is already Explorer a well known icon of Rolex. A close association to Rolex.
Just pull the trigger and regret later or perhaps you will never regret at all.
I have never had a Panerai. My reason I have a small wrist.
:Cheers:
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Rolex- immediately recognizable watch by anyone
Panerai- they may complement and ask what is it and caught by the simplicity of the design and you get to buy lots of strap as fun activity to keep your watch look fresh and exciting all the time. Check out the panerai clubs in Malaysia and Singapore and you will see what I mean. Don't think Rolex club is this exciting and lively
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Take both, why not?
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Think really hard if are considering a Panerai. I've looked at them many times but even my grey dealer who sells lots of them advise me to forget them.
But if you like the idea of having a great collection of straps and changing them often to match your outfit, and being a member of that group, then what can anyone say?
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Rolex without any doubt, it is "the watch" to have, must have :Cheers:
well ..... Panerai can come later when you grow your collection or don't bother about PAM .... the Panerai fans will kill me :Laughing_on_floor:
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With the price you pay for a brand new sub C, why not survey the pre-own market, you might be able to get both the sub AND panerai, with a slight top up of course depending on which model/generation.
After living with both said watches you will get a feel of which one you like better, and decide where your collection goes after that.
Best part is if you don't like either one just unload it off for little to no loss.
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I got a Sub 14060M, and is still thinking about when to get my first Pam....
With your budget of new Sub C, top up a few grands, you can get a pre-owned Sub 14060M and a pre-owned PAM 000.
Both watches are highly collectable and praised among WIS.
Best of both world? choices, choices..... :thumbsup:
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Rolex sub for sure..that's my preference.. :thumbsup:
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if can get both that's the best !. Less headache and life goes on immediately.
otherwise this will be banging in your head until you buy it. And after you buy it if you are not contented it will bang some more and until you get the other.
I got mine first pam. Shortlive joy, after that I had 2 more came up on my mind as I was looking around to make me feel like I got to have this 3 to complete the collection. So more headache instead of curing the first one.
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If you are going to own only one watch, go for Sub. More flexible - looks good in every occasion, and easily recognised. Pam should be the second or third watch for the added variety, and to signal to fellow watch enthusiast that you are ready for membership. Outside of the Rolexes and Omegas, not many layman knows PAM, AP, PP, VC, JLC.
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own both brand before..... in the end sold both 2.....
dunno on u bro....
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own both brand before..... in the end sold both 2.....
dunno on u bro....
can share why and what did you end up with?
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I got the PAM first because that's the watch that lead me to the watch 'bug'. Love the size, simplicity, the sandwich dial, the case and the unlimited options for straps. Can't stop looking at the watch but couldn't tell the time when asked what time is it. It just grew on me everytime I look at it
After a year or so, I had a chance to buy another watch based on my wifey's approval. And from there, I had a Rolex Sub C in my radar as I was looking for a versatile yet different to the PAM I had earlier. Choosing between a Sub C and a Sub C Date is another story tho.
I have to admit, the Sub C did not grew so much on me when I wore it on alternate weekends until after a few months, I kinda admire the classic look and the thinnest of the case. Guess that's what makes a Sub, a Sub. Definitely a dressier sports watch when compare to the PAM.
As of now, I still love my PAM but the Sub C has more wrist time as I find it more versatile and suits my working environment better.
Hope I don't confuse you further with my personal story for both watch.
At the end of the day, I'm sure you'll get both. But which to get first, depends on your preference what you wanna fill up in your collection first.
Good luck in your search.
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Update.....I pulled the trigger on the sub c nd! No regrets! I will post photos as soon as my bas & lokes leather nato arrives! Thanks to all who responded with advice.
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The Glidelock bracelet that comes with the Sub C is one of the most comfortable and well-made bracelet. It's a pity you are substituting it with Natos! PM me if you wish to sell the bracelet.. ;D :Cheers:
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Update.....I pulled the trigger on the sub c nd! No regrets! I will post photos as soon as my bas & lokes leather nato arrives! Thanks to all who responded with advice.
congratulation on the Sub C!!!
now let the sleepless night of PAM dreaming starts :Laughing_on_floor:
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Update.....I pulled the trigger on the sub c nd! No regrets! I will post photos as soon as my bas & lokes leather nato arrives! Thanks to all who responded with advice.
congratulation on the Sub C!!!
now let the sleepless night of PAM dreaming starts :Laughing_on_floor:
so bad ;D
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The Glidelock bracelet that comes with the Sub C is one of the most comfortable and well-made bracelet. It's a pity you are substituting it with Natos! PM me if you wish to sell the bracelet.. ;D :Cheers:
Not substituting....just adding a different look to the watch (I wore my Explorer II on its bracelet for 20years so now am into straps). Will probably be alternating between the bracelet and nato.
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Congrats... So what next? Perhaps a Pam?
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the question is which Panerai are you looking at?
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Post some pics for both of pam n rol of your choices here.. get vote for it :Cheers:
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i owned pam305 and daytona
previously is i get rolex first only get pam
but now if must force me let go one
i will let go my daytona
jz my 20 cents opinion
like bigger watch and leather strap
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i owned pam305 and daytona
previously is i get rolex first only get pam
but now if must force me let go one
i will let go my daytona
jz my 20 cents opinion
like bigger watch and leather strap
Sounds like a ROO candidate...
:thumbsup:
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Congrats on the new Rolex. Now to decide on which Pam... :Cheers:
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Both are great watches, but if for me, I will go for rolex then Pam , just my 2cents.
Rolex is like a watch icon, world recognize , collectible and high resale value
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I never even look at Rolex.. Straight went for panerai. Never have looked back since then. After hvng Panerai, I always walked past Rolex.
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Congrats for the sub, I can sense that the Pam's bug is growing in your mind tremendously.. ;)
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something i learn while posted in Instanbul,
better regret buying than regret not buying...
nyehehehe....
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panerai has more story and history to tell then rolex, and also due to it limitation, u can get any rolex any time u want, but panerai is not.
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panerai has more story and history to tell then rolex, and also due to it limitation, u can get any rolex any time u want, but panerai is not.
really?
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panerai has more story and history to tell then rolex, and also due to it limitation, u can get any rolex any time u want, but panerai is not.
:Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
http://www.askmen.com/fashion/mens-watches_500/586_best-watch-brands-watch-snob.html
Comments from the article
"Then there are watches that only the uneducated and simpleminded believe to be luxury watches. This distinction goes to Hublot and Panerai, of course. Anyone who buys these watches is a fool, and both companies will shut their doors before I turn 40 — you can count on that. "
"Then there is the mighty Rolex. Would I put Rolex up with Patek or A Lange & Sohne? Not for a second. But, do I consider it a very important step above IWC, Zenith and even Vacheron? Most certainly. The reason is this: People care about Rolex; nobody really cares about those other brands."
" but in 20 years, your Rolex will be worth something — and everything else will be scrap metal."
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panerai has more story and history to tell then rolex, and also due to it limitation, u can get any rolex any time u want, but panerai is not.
you must be joking right? actually both brands have a little intertwined history, love them both
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Panerai- For people who likes simplicity and uncluttered designs.
Rolex- For people who wants instant recognition and maybe proven reliability.... heritage.....etc
So long the world have got more of this people both watches will be sought after.
In modern societies and developed nations, more people will be more appreciate of art and design will mean bigger growth of people who look for simplicity and good design. So Panerai won't die.
For me, after a few watches I finally discovered I like simple and uncluttered designs. So panerai all the way and no other watch brand more mainly due to design concept instead of brand related criteria. if there was other watchs with this same design concept i may consider them too and there are some in the market now. Well that me so everyone is different and thats what makes the world interesting.
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Panerai- For people who likes simplicity and uncluttered designs.
Rolex- For people who wants instant recognition and maybe proven reliability.... heritage.....etc
simplicity and uncluttered design?
rolex explorer I :D
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Hi Watch Snob,
Can you list your ratings for high-end watch brands from best to worst? I'm guessing Patek Philippe and A. Lange & Sohne would be best, but I’m curious about the rest of the list and where you would rank Rolex.
Thanks,
Robert
This is a loaded question and one that deserves a lengthy answer. I cannot — and will not — give you a shortsighted, quick response, because I know it will be taken out of context, which will just mean more plebeian, misinformed, angry, and borderline racist e-mails from you (I’m looking at you, Panerai guy).
The “best” is a relative term. Patek Philippe is the best mainstream watch company in terms of lasting value, history and tradition. A. Lange & Sohne is the best newer watch company in the same vein as Patek, that isn’t Patek. Armin Strom ain’t bad either.
Thomas Prescher and Greubel Forsey are the best makers of tourbillons in the world. Urwerk and MB&F are the best makers of mechanical art. FP Journe and Philippe Dufour are the best “Masters of the Universe” timepieces that won’t get you knifed because no one knows what they are, or that they cost more than a Tribeca loft.
There are plenty of brands that most people consider “high-end” that, while I respect, simply aren’t superlative in any way: IWC, Vacheron, Piaget, and Zenith all make nice watches, but they are meaningless.
Then there are watches that only the uneducated and simpleminded believe to be luxury watches. This distinction goes to Hublot and Panerai, of course. Anyone who buys these watches is a fool, and both companies will shut their doors before I turn 40 — you can count on that.
Then there is the mighty Rolex. Would I put Rolex up with Patek or A Lange & Sohne? Not for a second. But, do I consider it a very important step above IWC, Zenith and even Vacheron? Most certainly. The reason is this: People care about Rolex; nobody really cares about those other brands. There are dedicated forums to Rolex, get-togethers, books, you name it. When was the last time you saw a Vacheron event or a book about IWC that people actually bought? Sure, their movement may be in slightly better shape than your average Rolex (debatable, surely), but in 20 years, your Rolex will be worth something — and everything else will be scrap metal.
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Watch Snob's article that you quoted, i think its been around 3-4 years. i am not sure how old is he now but i think he will reaches 40 soon and Panerai and hublot have no sign of shutting door, on the contra, i saw more people are wearing it proubly.
but of cos, watch loving is always biases.
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Like what some say the market is big enough for everyone. And every brand have their niche and speciality.
So long their feature and branding have got a following they won't go down.
Brands and companies are synonymous if they fail to innovate and remain relevant they will die. So this is a sure tell tale sign to give you an indication if the brand will die.
I dont think Panerai will die because i can see many signs of them growing in strength from their new innovative materials used for their watches, very strong niche with their simple design which is not matched by any other brand closely, the crazy strap changing culture embedded and the GTG which are extended worldwide. Some of this are priceless and cannot be copied overnight and not to mention takes a long time to build.
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panerai has more story and history to tell then rolex, and also due to it limitation, u can get any rolex any time u want, but panerai is not.
Panerai has history, the brand like to tell story.... But the few hundred pieces ever made
Can nvr match rolex that millions over millions..... But rolex is a brand that tell nothing!
They always the most mystery brand in Basel all the yrs.
despite receipt from Rolex to panerai being found, rolex never admit they made military watches.
Not sure they keep the tradition, no disclosure of military stuff... Or they do not want to associate themselves with the loosing side.
Panerai certainly marketed their product brilliantly... They made a lot now, they sell well. Belief me, it's available, only matter of price! Demand is high, retailer turn over is super fast!
Panerai certainly the most successful watch brand in recent yrs...
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panerai has more story and history to tell then rolex, and also due to it limitation, u can get any rolex any time u want, but panerai is not.
Panerai has history, the brand like to tell story....
Including the infamous PAM318 ;D
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Many brand just come and go but Lolek is here to stay for good whether you like it or not.
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just using my experience when I wanted to buy my first panerai, it was like buying a house in Bandar utama. So many buyers queing to see
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Relating back to my recent experience when buying a Panerai watch, hot models are snapped up even before it reaches the shop showcase forcing you to buy without seeing or testing the watch once you get the facebook announcements of new watch arrival.
One helluva buying experience.
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Hi Explorer
Your name is already Explorer a well known icon of Rolex. A close association to Rolex.
Just pull the trigger and regret later or perhaps you will never regret at all.
I have never had a Panerai. My reason I have a small wrist.
:Cheers:
My reason just as good as yours! :Cheers:
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panerai has more story and history to tell then rolex
facepalm
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I think you should buy a watch that you like and can wear well. I find it abit weird guys with 6" wrist trying to wear a 47mm watch. Go boutiques and try it on your wrist. Take your time and choose
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Think soon he'll start another thread on which pam... the poison is strong... and you just gotta scratch the itch!! :P
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panerai has more story and history to tell then rolex, and also due to it limitation, u can get any rolex any time u want, but panerai is not.
Why is it whenever the word Panerai is mentioned it always goes "sideways" no matter how harmless the actual topic seems to be..Wondering where's that "Condor" now..He should be able spice up this conversation to another level!! :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
Btw, congratz on yr new purchase though...I can see the poison already smearing through yr brain.. :Dancing_banana: :Jumping:
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Rolex to mass, panerai in terms is 'more boutique'. Do take time to research n survey before buying
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Hi Watch Snob,
Can you list your ratings for high-end watch brands from best to worst? I'm guessing Patek Philippe and A. Lange & Sohne would be best, but I’m curious about the rest of the list and where you would rank Rolex.
Thanks,
Robert
This is a loaded question and one that deserves a lengthy answer. I cannot — and will not — give you a shortsighted, quick response, because I know it will be taken out of context, which will just mean more plebeian, misinformed, angry, and borderline racist e-mails from you (I’m looking at you, Panerai guy).
The “best” is a relative term. Patek Philippe is the best mainstream watch company in terms of lasting value, history and tradition. A. Lange & Sohne is the best newer watch company in the same vein as Patek, that isn’t Patek. Armin Strom ain’t bad either.
Thomas Prescher and Greubel Forsey are the best makers of tourbillons in the world. Urwerk and MB&F are the best makers of mechanical art. FP Journe and Philippe Dufour are the best “Masters of the Universe” timepieces that won’t get you knifed because no one knows what they are, or that they cost more than a Tribeca loft.
There are plenty of brands that most people consider “high-end” that, while I respect, simply aren’t superlative in any way: IWC, Vacheron, Piaget, and Zenith all make nice watches, but they are meaningless.
Then there are watches that only the uneducated and simpleminded believe to be luxury watches. This distinction goes to Hublot and Panerai, of course. Anyone who buys these watches is a fool, and both companies will shut their doors before I turn 40 — you can count on that.
Then there is the mighty Rolex. Would I put Rolex up with Patek or A Lange & Sohne? Not for a second. But, do I consider it a very important step above IWC, Zenith and even Vacheron? Most certainly. The reason is this: People care about Rolex; nobody really cares about those other brands. There are dedicated forums to Rolex, get-togethers, books, you name it. When was the last time you saw a Vacheron event or a book about IWC that people actually bought? Sure, their movement may be in slightly better shape than your average Rolex (debatable, surely), but in 20 years, your Rolex will be worth something — and everything else will be scrap metal.
Lol I enjoy reading this article. Sorry Pam fans but my decision will probably be rolex albeit abit boring.