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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: theseira on December 27, 2013, 10:30:14 PM
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Hey Gents
Hard question for me. :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead:
If you had the funds which would you pick and why? If you don't have the funds well lets pretend the watch fairy visited you and offered you one of the 2 for free!!! which would you pick and why?
Or for the lucky owners why did you select the nautilus or the AP jumbo?
The PP Nautilus 5711 blue dial:
(http://i42.tinypic.com/35l6a77.jpg)
AP Royal Oak 15202st Jumbo! note that the one I am referring to has the AP logo at the 6 mark:
(http://i39.tinypic.com/zn9z8.jpg)
For me it is a really hard choice. I have seen both pieces in real life and I admit that pics don't do these pieces justice. The KL and SG AP boutique still have the jumbo in stock for those who is interested in viewing in the flesh. PP nautilus blue dial well.... hardly available in stock.
I love the Nautilus and I love the RO Jumbo so I don't know :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead:
Very hard to decide. Anyway would be interesting to get ideas from the members MWF :D
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If a fairy were to give me a choice of the 2 watches, I will choose the PP, sell it and buy the AP with some extra cash to keep. :Laughing_on_floor: I personally prefer the RO over the Nautilus in terms of the dial design and especially the bracelet. Not too sure if the premium for the Nautilus is justified but if you do prefer the Nautilus and the PP brand (and if money is not a problem)...the premium might be worth paying. Only you could make that decision...and if you still could not decide...buy both!
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Audi vs Skoda. I go for Audi
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Is pretty hard to choose, altho from same designer but both are totally diff league
In this case for me, it depend on my age, if I were 50 above with children at abt 20 year old, go for pp
If I'm single or no children or still young, I'd go for ap
Well, just me ;D
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Audi vs Skoda. I go for Audi
Which is Audi and which is Skoda?
For the price, it seems like AP is a more well finished watch.
The price difference between the 2 is rm25k+
Looks wise, the AP seems to have a look that is designed yesterday while the PP looks like an old watch.
Both iconic.
But personally? AP for me.
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I agree with David here...well...sort of. I am 40, I have kids and I will still go for the 5711...I love the Jumbo, but there is just something about the PP that makes me wish that I have the funds for it now...
DC
Is pretty hard to choose, altho from same designer but both are totally diff league
In this case for me, it depend on my age, if I were 50 above with children at abt 20 year old, go for pp
If I'm single or no children or still young, I'd go for ap
Well, just me ;D
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AP Jumbo. Same level of work and quality. Why pay more just to have a more well known name frequently associated with showoffs.
Best
Tyler
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Firstly I would associate the PP as a copycat. It was AP that truly brought forth the concept of a strong luxury sports watch.
Secondly, talking about sports watch. The PP (in my humble opinion) is such a delicate thing on the wrist, it feels like a 'over the hill 80 year old sports car' that might just breakdown even with the slightest push.
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AP for me as well... :thumbsup:
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Firstly I would associate the PP as a copycat. It was AP that truly brought forth the concept of a strong luxury sports watch.
Secondly, talking about sports watch. The PP (in my humble opinion) is such a delicate thing on the wrist, it feels like a 'over the hill 80 year old sports car' that might just breakdown even with the slightest push.
The WR rating for the PP is 120m while on the AP jumbo, it's 50m...
Hardly sports watch specs... hahaha
AP Jumbo. Same level of work and quality. Why pay more just to have a more well known name frequently associated with showoffs.
Best
Tyler
Woah Tyler, later PP owners come to you with pitchforks... hehehe
I thought Rolex is the brand associated with showoffs?
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Go read robert jan broer's writeup in wus....jumbo vs jumbo. It's a good place to start.. :Cheers:
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It is all what you want to afford. Age is but a number. The 5711 is light but in no way delicate. The rotor does spin with the slightest movement though.
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Is pretty hard to choose, altho from same designer but both are totally diff league
In this case for me, it depend on my age, if I were 50 above with children at abt 20 year old, go for pp
If I'm single or no children or still young, I'd go for ap
Well, just me ;D
Yeah agree with you that it is hard to choose. I fall under the no children category. Still can't decide haha.
AP Jumbo. Same level of work and quality. Why pay more just to have a more well known name frequently associated with showoffs.
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Tyler
No doubt about the work and quality on both pieces. Both are very nice but the previous version of the AP's Rotor look nicer but then the dial is not as original looking.
Old 15202 rotor:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/f1iazt.png)
New 15202 rotor:
(http://i44.tinypic.com/124791i.png)
For showing off depends on demographics I guess. I can't imagine getting more recognition then a Rolex for most cases.
I agree with David here...well...sort of. I am 40, I have kids and I will still go for the 5711...I love the Jumbo, but there is just something about the PP that makes me wish that I have the funds for it now...
DC
Well the thing is the blue dial 5711 is really hard to come by. I been looking for it for months :-\ AP easier to get through the boutique. But AP boutique only 5% discount.
AP for me as well... :thumbsup:
Yeah the AP very nice. :Cheers:
Go read robert jan broer's writeup in wus....jumbo vs jumbo. It's a good place to start.. :Cheers:
That's the previous version of the jumbo though. Still good read! :Cheers:
Firstly I would associate the PP as a copycat. It was AP that truly brought forth the concept of a strong luxury sports watch.
Secondly, talking about sports watch. The PP (in my humble opinion) is such a delicate thing on the wrist, it feels like a 'over the hill 80 year old sports car' that might just breakdown even with the slightest push.
The WR rating for the PP is 120m while on the AP jumbo, it's 50m...
Hardly sports watch specs... hahaha
AP Jumbo. Same level of work and quality. Why pay more just to have a more well known name frequently associated with showoffs.
Best
Tyler
Woah Tyler, later PP owners come to you with pitchforks... hehehe
I thought Rolex is the brand associated with showoffs?
Yeah I think Rolex is associated with showoffs too.
It is all what you want to afford. Age is but a number. The 5711 is light but in no way delicate. The rotor does spin with the slightest movement though.
Well yeah that and stock is hard to come by.
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Either one will be nice to own. But will you be Satisfied after buying the Ap 15202 ? I guess the saying goes "that we are always complaining about our shoes till we see one with no feet" . I think either one will make you very happy since both are Gerald Genta creations. regards tony.
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AP Jumbo. Same level of work and quality. Why pay more just to have a more well known name frequently associated with showoffs.
Best
Tyler
Woah Tyler, later PP owners come to you with pitchforks... hehehe
I thought Rolex is the brand associated with showoffs?
Rolex is way too common nowsaday to be a showsoff. One need to move up the ladder abit to really gather attention.
Why do you think even PP up their price to such a ridiculous level? Because they can get away with ppl buying them as showoff.
Even the PP collector would agree with me on that. The sad truth is you can find more collector for hermes bag than PP watch.
90% of PP customer buy for the reason of status and investment rather than the watch itself.
Regard
Tyler
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notably PP is more prestige than AP and it wears more comfortably than AP as well. from my point of view, 5711's weight is more evenly spread out and it sits well on the wrist (it's also thinner than AP RO). I think blue dial PP have different hues under different lights (I'm not sure about AP). Another thing is that sometimes you can lose a few strand of hairs from your wrist to AP bracelet (stuck in it). :Laughing_on_floor:
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let's not talk abt the good points of 5711. putting aside the various views on how ap jumbo suits younger age group, how well built it is, how pioneer it is in terms of similar design by gerald genta n etc, it IS a pp after all.
the same goes for rolex sub. comparing with omega seamaster, it is a fraction of the price of a sub. they r both equally iconic, well built n the same depth rating ;)
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As a RO owner , after getting my RO , all i can think of is getting a white dial Nautilus .
End of the day , you will need both of them. Trust me on this.
Which one to buy first? The prettier salesgirl or the sales person that treats you better.
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AP Jumbo. Same level of work and quality. Why pay more just to have a more well known name frequently associated with showoffs.
Best
Tyler
Woah Tyler, later PP owners come to you with pitchforks... hehehe
I thought Rolex is the brand associated with showoffs?
Rolex is way too common nowsaday to be a showsoff. One need to move up the ladder abit to really gather attention.
Why do you think even PP up their price to such a ridiculous level? Because they can get away with ppl buying them as showoff.
Even the PP collector would agree with me on that. The sad truth is you can find more collector for hermes bag than PP watch.
90% of PP customer buy for the reason of status and investment rather than the watch itself.
Regard
Tyler
I don't agree that most people buy a PP for showing off but more of a personal satisfaction and a sense of achievement.
Cos to be able to purchase at that level of prices for a watch that most laymen don't even have a clue to their exclusivity can't be considered a show off.
These buyers probably move in a circle within their own same stratosphere where buying a PP is not problem but a preference.
However buying a Rolex is a different issue,cos I know of people who just have to save a buy one just so that they could say that they have a Rolex on their wrist:cos almost everyone know a Rolex when you see one.Even if it's very common nowadays,a Rolex is still a Rolex.
You just don't "save" to buy a PP,you gotta have the means.
So buying a PP don't necessary mean a showoff cos that PP buyer would probably is already "there"
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Patek is hardly exclusive nowadays. The boutique and manufacturer would want us to believe what we buy is a rare and special watch.
However with annual production around 50,000 watch (not counting quartz) that's equal to what Piaget and Panerai produce in a year.
Given how common is a Panerai, we have sense how exclusive a Patek can be.
I would agree with you on the point is more about the price of the watch rather than the watch itself when it comes to Patek. Somehow people like it for the reason because the price is so high. Rather strange phenomenon.
Regard
Tyler
I don't agree that most people buy a PP for showing off but more of a personal satisfaction and a sense of achievement.
Cos to be able to purchase at that level of prices for a watch that most laymen don't even have a clue to their exclusivity can't be considered a show off.
These buyers probably move in a circle within their own same stratosphere where buying a PP is not problem but a preference.
However buying a Rolex is a different issue,cos I know of people who just have to save a buy one just so that they could say that they have a Rolex on their wrist:cos almost everyone know a Rolex when you see one.Even if it's very common nowadays,a Rolex is still a Rolex.
You just don't "save" to buy a PP,you gotta have the means.
So buying a PP don't necessary mean a showoff cos that PP buyer would probably is already "there"
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Patek is hardly exclusive nowadays. The boutique and manufacturer would want us to believe what we buy is a rare and special watch.
However with annual production around 50,000 watch (not counting quartz) that's equal to what Piaget and Panerai produce in a year.
They only make around 50,000 PAMs a year? That is surprising somehow, but then I don't actually have any idea how many I thought they would make!
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Less than that. Just short of 30,000 a year.
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T
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Less than that. Just short of 30,000 a year.
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T
I m surprised, looking at how many Pam flooding the market now! :o
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Yeah...it is like everyone is wearing a PAM these days...from college kids to grandpas! Still resisting the temptation to buy a base Radiomir.
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I am not moved by either one of these watches. Does this make me weird?
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I am not moved by either one of these watches. Does this make me weird?
Not at all. If we all had the same desires, we'd be married to the same woman!
That aside, I'd get the 15202 first, then the 5711 but in white.
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Interesting.
I had a similar thought. I would get this AP and a grey dial nautilus chrono (5980)
I am not moved by either one of these watches. Does this make me weird?
Not at all. If we all had the same desires, we'd be married to the same woman!
That aside, I'd get the 15202 first, then the 5711 but in white.
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The AP really does it for me. The build and bracelet is simply gorgeous for daily use. The only pain that I experienced is when I got some hairline scratches on them ;D.
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Assume that the price of Pp is cheaper by 25k+ then Ap. Now Pp or Ap?
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I'll still go with AP. Visually it's a more interesting watch.
The Nautilus has it charm but in the long run the 15202ST is much more satisfying.
Regard
Tyler
Assume that the price of Pp is cheaper by 25k+ then Ap. Now Pp or Ap?
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I much prefer the look of the Nautilus.
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I much prefer the look of the Nautilus.
Me too!!! I just saw second hand one for sale but the price is bad =(
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I do not think the price of the nautilus will be any lower after this. I remembered the time when I missed out on one 3 years back where it was going for RM45,000 used and when I pondered a while over it, it was sold and the next one i saw 6 months down the line was RM52,000 used.
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I do not think the price of the nautilus will be any lower after this. I remembered the time when I missed out on one 3 years back where it was going for RM45,000 used and when I pondered a while over it, it was sold and the next one i saw 6 months down the line was RM52,000 used.
Ok well the one I saw is RM 79,600. so yeahhhhhhhhhh! :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead:
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I do not think the price of the nautilus will be any lower after this. I remembered the time when I missed out on one 3 years back where it was going for RM45,000 used and when I pondered a while over it, it was sold and the next one i saw 6 months down the line was RM52,000 used.
Ok well the one I saw is RM 79,600. so yeahhhhhhhhhh! :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead:
I think I saw it too. For a used SS basic watch at that price, I want to siok sendiri but just couldn't pull the trigger. :D
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this is difficult.. ived always admired ap ro but theres no denying pp noti higher pedigree..
apro4me
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Nautilus is THE men's watch to have. AP's can have many many anniversary editions. But Nautilus is a must have.
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Guys my dealer said he will be getting the piece I want some time this year. Only one piece he will get at a very good price. I have put down a RM15k Deposit for it and now am waiting. Hopefully I can get it in few months time! :Praying: :Praying: :Praying:
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Guys my dealer said he will be getting the piece I want some time this year. Only one piece he will get at a very good price. I have put down a RM15k Deposit for it and now am waiting. Hopefully I can get it in few months time! :Praying: :Praying: :Praying:
The 5711 blue dial? u are getting from AD or grey?
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Guys my dealer said he will be getting the piece I want some time this year. Only one piece he will get at a very good price. I have put down a RM15k Deposit for it and now am waiting. Hopefully I can get it in few months time! :Praying: :Praying: :Praying:
The 5711 blue dial? u are getting from AD or grey?
Maybe 5711??! maybe RO???
I'll be getting mine from grey of course. AD's I can only go in to test test and get free drink :D haha can't buy from them.
Anyways was in SG last month they had RO, price up though. Also visited Cortina PP AD's at marina and Hourglass at orchard seems like 5711 no stock.
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Guys my dealer said he will be getting the piece I want some time this year. Only one piece he will get at a very good price. I have put down a RM15k Deposit for it and now am waiting. Hopefully I can get it in few months time! :Praying: :Praying: :Praying:
The 5711 blue dial? u are getting from AD or grey?
Maybe 5711??! maybe RO???
I'll be getting mine from grey of course. AD's I can only go in to test test and get free drink :D haha can't buy from them.
Anyways was in SG last month they had RO, price up though. Also visited Cortina PP AD's at marina and Hourglass at orchard seems like 5711 no stock.
5711 blue is on waiting list, i think no AD is carrying stock. PP KLCC has a white dial.
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I have the older white dial AP 15202 and also the blue PP 5711. Both wear differently. Whichever one you are getting first, you will lust for the other one later. Thanks.
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Guys my dealer said he will be getting the piece I want some time this year. Only one piece he will get at a very good price. I have put down a RM15k Deposit for it and now am waiting. Hopefully I can get it in few months time! :Praying: :Praying: :Praying:
The 5711 blue dial? u are getting from AD or grey?
Maybe 5711??! maybe RO???
I'll be getting mine from grey of course. AD's I can only go in to test test and get free drink :D haha can't buy from them.
Anyways was in SG last month they had RO, price up though. Also visited Cortina PP AD's at marina and Hourglass at orchard seems like 5711 no stock.
5711 blue is on waiting list, i think no AD is carrying stock. PP KLCC has a white dial.
EL apparently white dial easier to get u probably know this. Blue problem if want to get it below rrp.
I have the older white dial AP 15202 and also the blue PP 5711. Both wear differently. Whichever one you are getting first, you will lust for the other one later. Thanks.
I am afraid that your right Mswong haha :D
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Two old pictures to share
AP 15202
(http://i627.photobucket.com/albums/tt359/mishwong/IMG00005-20100507-1545.jpg)
PP 5711
(http://i627.photobucket.com/albums/tt359/mishwong/IMG01095-20110305-1521.jpg)
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Two old pictures to share
AP 15202
(http://i627.photobucket.com/albums/tt359/mishwong/IMG00005-20100507-1545.jpg)
PP 5711
(http://i627.photobucket.com/albums/tt359/mishwong/IMG01095-20110305-1521.jpg)
Those look good! can't wait till I get mine now haha. very nice pics! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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I have the older white dial AP 15202 and also the blue PP 5711. Both wear differently. Whichever one you are getting first, you will lust for the other one later. Thanks.
Thank god there is nothing to stop u to get BOTH. Not the same situation if u r stuck with two gf :Cheers:
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Is pretty hard to choose, altho from same designer but both are totally diff league
In this case for me, it depend on my age, if I were 50 above with children at abt 20 year old, go for pp
If I'm single or no children or still young, I'd go for ap
Well, just me ;D
Sorry to barge in, I beg to differ.
If you were 50 & above, you won't go for the Nautilus. Instead, you would aim for Calatrava, which give you a sense of sophistication, regardless its a basic model or grand complication.
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PP of cos for its long history ! Stand out after all good and bad! :Laughing_on_floor: