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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: wslee on July 07, 2010, 07:31:51 PM
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Forgive me,as im newbie here.Keep on hearing you all mention about PAM watch.Actually what make it so special with simple outlook n yet pricey? ??
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nothing special..to me it just merely a fashion watch which allow us to keep on changing our leather strap :Laughing_on_floor: for their heritage part i ll let the PAM guru to answer u ;D
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PAM is a shortform of PAMela!!! ofcox it is unique and special! :Dancing_banana:
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Forgive me,as im newbie here.Keep on hearing you all mention about PAM watch.Actually what make it so special with simple outlook n yet pricey? ??
What makes any watch special? Each individual will have their own definition of special. Could be because of the history / heritage of a particular brand or a celebration of the birth of a child, a gift from a loved one, to signify a marriage union (or freedom of a divorce) or just a reminder of a place and time. But most are just taken in by the appeal of a certain watch. Sort of like how men are attracted to women. ;D
For me I can't tell you why it's special, perhaps you'll have to see, hold and put it on your wrist to find out if it's special for you.
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PAM is no more special than other similar watches in the same price range. I for one still don't have a PAM or Rolex but many people in this forum own one or the other or both. I can think of many alternatives to PAM/Rolex that are as interesting but this is highly personal (taste). I was looking at a PAM vs Glashutte and Glashutte won. I was looking at Rolex, IWC vs AP and AP won. But that's just me.
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I guess each watch brand has its own appeal. Still depends on individual preference in the end =)
Like what you said,quite a number of ppl over in the forum own one or two PAM. Im not yet near that standard
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Thn u AS is win against which brand hehehe...
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pam is very successful brand!
strong DNA in its design
every1 can recognize pam from far
mystery history - related to rolex
most people like it, a watch collector and a non collector
Hollywood tough man choice
supply never meet demand strategy, you can never find the historical line pam display at shops, high resale value
pre owned shop favorite
vintage pam sky rocketing in auction
thousand of followers...
strong fan/owner clubs... the paneristi
some ppl just enjoy changing strap everyday
most fake after rolex
most successful brand in the past 20 yrs
so is pam special? YES it is, in every single sense!
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pam is very successful brand!
strong DNA in its design
every1 can recognize pam from far
mystery history - related to rolex
most people like it, a watch collector and a non collector
Hollywood tough man choice
supply never meet demand strategy, you can never find the historical line pam display at shops, high resale value
pre owned shop favorite
vintage pam sky rocketing in auction
thousand of followers...
strong fan/owner clubs... the paneristi
some ppl just enjoy changing strap everyday
most fake after rolex
most successful brand in the past 20 yrs
so is pam special? YES it is, in every single sense!
I may be a minority here but I don't care most of the above except strong DNA in its design and history of the brand. The rest is probably the reason why I am staying away from PAM and Rolex. I see a bunch of PAM and Rolex wearers in my corporate office.
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get one and you'll know
a PAM owner who still wears the supplied strap may not be a Paneristi
but an owner who have more straps than watches is definitely a Paneristi!
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Thn u AS is win against which brand hehehe...
AS has no competition but with its price, I could have gotten a pretty decent PAM ;D
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get one and you'll know
a PAM owner who still wears the supplied strap may not be a Paneristi
but an owner who have more straps than watches is definitely a Paneristi!
OK. Ease and many strap options is definitely a plus for PAM :thumbsup:
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Whats the starter price for PAM? U all really got me interested in this brand.From my initial budget of RM2-4k,i may increase to 6k..Lolz,but i believe still far from reaching a basic PAM
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the MRSP for a PAM 000 is round SGD 6.2k
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ya cheapest Pam starts at around sgd 6K. Pam prices is going up esp there are moving toward inhouse movement.
today the those PAM 000 on heavily mod ETA 6497 still cost alot.
even those Pam for Ferrari watches cost a bomb. there resale value is weak. an pre own still cost over sgd$5k
http://[removed commercial link]/index.php?page=Product&id=25
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Forgive me,as im newbie here.Keep on hearing you all mention about PAM watch.Actually what make it so special with simple outlook n yet pricey? ??
Firstly is history because Panerai is the official supplier for all the precision and timing equipment for Italian Navy's (Marina Militare) underwater special forces during WWII and its only until early 90's of last century Panerai is available for civilian. And the Italian underwater special forces is known to be the earliest of such military unit in the world which is the fore fathers of spec forces like US Navy SEAL.
And due to its background as military equipment therefore Panerai watches is designed with form and function as priority with clarity and ease of use come first ( that's why the most classic PAM dial come with 3,6,9, 12 so big). Therefore no extra decoration is added to its watch design unnecessarily which is very different from the regular watches of its contemporary. However it is also because of this kind of functional minimalism that PAM classic design meets the contemporary design taste of our current time as a result it become "trendy".
Its "simple" design as u have mentioned bear the great spirit of classical modernism of early 20th century where design is derived from the form and the function of an object instead of unnecessary non functional decorative ornaments added to it.
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get one and you'll know
a PAM owner who still wears the supplied strap may not be a Paneristi
but an owner who have more straps than watches is definitely a Paneristi!
how about those who made his own straps....... :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: ........Panerai Parasite..... :Laughing_on_floor:
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IMHO to start with Panerai must start from the most classic and the most ori design.....000, 005 & 210....is worth to collect.... :Cheers: :Cheers:
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IMHO to start with Panerai must start from the most classic and the most ori design.....000, 005 & 210....is worth to collect.... :Cheers: :Cheers:
I'm 100% with you ;D
Speak from personal experience, the in-house movement (P2002) really so so... :-[
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IMHO to start with Panerai must start from the most classic and the most ori design.....000, 005 & 210....is worth to collect.... :Cheers: :Cheers:
I'm 100% with you ;D
Speak from personal experience, the in-house movement (P2002) really so so... :-[
besides that it lost the true panerai spirit which is outsourcing the movement...kakakaka
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Speak from personal experience, the in-house movement (P2002) really so so... :-[
how So-So?
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From the way it sounds,i think PAM looks better than Rolex =) perhaps for its simplicity
Wish i can own one PAM too..
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From the way it sounds,i think PAM looks better than Rolex =) perhaps for its simplicity
Wish i can own one PAM too..
brother dont jump to conclusion so fast, a bit of history again ...... Italy in WWII time is the pariah of Europe a very poor country and all European look down at them so what Panerai do is the casing they made but movement is Rolex one la and even to an extend some model is identical with Rolex watches at that time.
If u really interested do some reading and google a lot u will find it is really a very interesting story behind this brand.... :Cheers: :Cheers:
For me what I wear on my hand I must be able to piece up its story otherwise no fun....XD
Besides Rolex is also have its beauty like the Submariner is really nice classic, DS Sub is really good design especially with Nato Strap.... :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
The new GMT also is a gorgeous babe especially the gold one I really like it.......green sub, pepsi cola all this is nice Rolex bro
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So now u know why PAM was so special? Kakakaka
Scott, why say so the P2002 was so so only? My door is always open for u 233 ;D
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From the way it sounds,i think PAM looks better than Rolex =) perhaps for its simplicity
Wish i can own one PAM too..
get both..... i would say
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this is always a nice place to catch up on pam
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vintage.html
Pam wasn't on ppl target when the brand exploded in Asia when Richemont took over!
it was relatively cheap back b4 the discovery in mid 1990s.
not many crazy PAM lovers back in 1990-1995.
with the closing of the watch making facility in italy alot of ex PAM watchmaker are working in http://www.anonimo.com
bump your budget up from 6k and U may get yourself a 000. spotted 1 on WUS.
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=419499
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Friend u r lucky to join mwf, (sorry it's my sincere feeling not hardcwellng)
I spoke from the Market point of view
Chiew spoke bout why many ppl attracted by pam
Scott share his real personal experience
so damn lucky you
u know what! It's poisonous... Once u start surfing the history like Chiew... Then Scott guide u on price n place to get at good price... 2 yrs later u may pm me either on how to sell or where to get watch tools or who can help me repair/modify...
So this the life in the mwf... Welcome!
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Scott, why say so the P2002 was so so only? My door is always open for u 233 ;D
watch stop before PR reaching 0, GMT hand not align, day night indicator not able to correctly... etc... not just me but others having the same problem.. the watch/movement was introduce back in 2006, i got mine in 2008, less then 2 years ;D
Dennis, still want?
But, i do have to admit, 233 is darn nice looking watch ;)
To me, it's all about marketing.. i have to admit, Panerai did a very good job in term of selling their history ;)
As Chiew/Chris pointed (and i always say), get a basic Panerai if you like the design (I like PAM217/127, PAM210, PAM000/005, PAM24) and IMHO, the basic model has the strongest DNA from its history... the one that Pete posted, the design is nice, but i don't really fancy how they sell or trying to "imitate" their history in today's modern release... like keep "goreng" the same thing over and over again... sorry, no offend to all die-heart Panerai fans... i love'd' panerai too :Cheers:
Chris, yeah, the experience it cost a lot ;D
Cheers!
scott
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All very valid points by actual owners of the watch.
For me although i like the history that PAM has i am still not convinced on it (yet) ;D. Maybe its my price to satisfaction ratio.
What i can suggest you to do is to get some homage of PAM (not replicas) and try it on to see if you like it or not.
I did that with a Luminor and Radiomir case variant. I found out that i have no love for the luminor case so i sold it.
Ended up selling the radiomir case as well but thats another story.
So at the end it would be hard for me to buy a real PAM as much as the history attracts me, because i have too many choices now for the same price range.
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I must say Richemont doing a good job on Pam. Just like how LVMH revived Heuer, if not better.
They purposely (or not) limit the supply, knowingly the demand is great out there, in order to push up the price.
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Scott, I don’t see any 233 shortcoming as LOVE is BLIND… :HammerHead: ask yourself despite all the shortcoming at that price point would u able to get a in-house movement watch pack with 8 days PR + GMT function?? If I not wrong the P 2002 was design by JLC (solely for PAM) so it shd be quite reliable... :Confused:
btw any 1 here had any problem with their P 9000 series movement???
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Dennis, at that price, a lot le... most of the stainless steel JLC 8 days selling much cheaper then 233 ;) My new Grande GMT (8 days + GMT + day night indicator + GMT different indicator + big date) is much cheaper :P
It's very possible JLC did helped in the P2002 development since they are belong to the same group :thumbsup: anywhere, maybe just my luck ;p... mine is J series... i heard the problem suppose has resolved after the i series.. i saw some post somewhere, the same problem happen in K series too... so, i hope Panerai can do better QA and don't let us down ;)
btw, don't get me wrong, i still love Panerai ;)
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this is always a nice place to catch up on pam
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vintage.html
Pam wasn't on ppl target when the brand exploded in Asia when Richemont took over!
it was relatively cheap back b4 the discovery in mid 1990s.
not many crazy PAM lovers back in 1990-1995.
with the closing of the watch making facility in italy alot of ex PAM watchmaker are working in http://www.anonimo.com
bump your budget up from 6k and U may get yourself a 000. spotted 1 on WUS.
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=419499
in late 90's 6k is about the price for Panerai Marina Luminor and that's when I first saw my boss wearing it and fall in love with since then
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I don't have PAM or Rolex.... maybe too poor to buy it... Hahaha....
Only had opportunity to see my friend's watch, I must say PAM is one of the desirable watch to own. Just to hold it, feel it & wearing it... you will know why it is so special. I love it simplicity design & it has the 'X-factor'.... don't know how to say this.... I just love it. ;D
BTW. I made a review about it... PAM 112
http://duniajam.blogspot.com/2010/05/panerai-simple-yet-attractive.html (http://duniajam.blogspot.com/2010/05/panerai-simple-yet-attractive.html)
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nice topic!
well! for me its nothing about the history or heritage!
i just like the watch....and well! another plus point is able to change straps.....come on! those who haven't seen those lovely & beauiful aftermarket strap pls dont say this watch sucks...or not worth it...
just take a look at those straps....by changing the straps..you actually change the looks of the overall watch.....
damn! really love to get one! hahaha! but really too costly!
well! for me...first buy..will be a rolex...very conservative way! but this is the best bet...i know the watch will always retain its value..and its evergreen...anytime..there will be someone who wants it.
then second...go for the panerai.....
then third....go for lots of panerai straps....da luca, heroic 18, JnS, swiss ammos....wowow!! i want..hahah!
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My friend changed his PAM strap... whoa! :o Damn nice man! :thumbsup:
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PAM just simple awesome rock my world....love it...erkk..no i dont own one...
oh ya also blame the watch collecting bug to PAM...i think i will keep on buying new watch till i get PAM...simply to serve my libido on PAM...owh sexy PAM
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nice topic!
well! for me its nothing about the history or heritage!
i just like the watch....and well! another plus point is able to change straps.....come on! those who haven't seen those lovely & beauiful aftermarket strap pls dont say this watch sucks...or not worth it...
just take a look at those straps....by changing the straps..you actually change the looks of the overall watch.....
damn! really love to get one! hahaha! but really too costly!
well! for me...first buy..will be a rolex...very conservative way! but this is the best bet...i know the watch will always retain its value..and its evergreen...anytime..there will be someone who wants it.
then second...go for the panerai.....
then third....go for lots of panerai straps....da luca, heroic 18, JnS, swiss ammos....wowow!! i want..hahah!
u mean strap like this... ;D ;D
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3025/2999954508_3fe900b84b_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3049/2999949748_119a7fe80a_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3165/2750274376_0bc2bd1154_o.jpg)
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How about strap like this
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3214/2623633617_fc09455727_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3039/2623628925_69f6c6a4d2_o.jpg)
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U guys are really poisoning me. :HammerHead:
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How about this then
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3075/2677680532_1effa716ee_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3083/2676864675_297be13dc3_o.jpg)
Who want to talk strap can come talk to me anytime morning until night also no problem.....kakakaka
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well! for me...first buy..will be a rolex...very conservative way! but this is the best bet...i know the watch will always retain its value..and its evergreen...anytime..there will be someone who wants it.
chrisc, that's really depend what you buy, not all rolex retain value and can make money when you sell it. But it's true that it fetch better price when you sell it... Panerai too, the resell value for PAM is good too...
Chiew, luckily my strap-madness has gone!! akakkakakak you can't poison me with this one anymore :P
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How about strap like this
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3214/2623633617_fc09455727_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3039/2623628925_69f6c6a4d2_o.jpg)
I loves B&R.... :thumbsup:
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the problem is that all those strap kindda pricey...for me who own a homage watch, doesnt make sense to pay more than 100 for a strap...
hehehehe
i wonder where can i get a cheapo but good quality...erkk very unlikely to get i guess....hehehehhe
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Cool,PAM does make a cool watch.With the history and the straps you can change according to the environment,I would love to own it someday. But at this point of time,budget is my limitation. Dear all bro,i just got myself a Fortis limited edition Mars watch :Dancing_banana: :thumbsup: My first ever more RM1k watch,hahaha!!!!
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Thanks for sharing all of your opinion and experience, i learn a lot from you all about watch.Esp Chrisyenn,Scott Chung. Of cos to all the members here =)
So happy that finally i got myself a watch
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Cool,PAM does make a cool watch.With the history and the straps you can change according to the environment,I would love to own it someday. But at this point of time,budget is my limitation. Dear all bro,i just got myself a Fortis limited edition Mars watch :Dancing_banana: :thumbsup: My first ever more RM1k watch,hahaha!!!!
Congrats bro :thumbsup:
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Thanks,
Will post up the pic soon(Hopefully).Hahaha!!!
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get one and you'll know
a PAM owner who still wears the supplied strap may not be a Paneristi
but an owner who have more straps than watches is definitely a Paneristi!
agree..am the former :mooning:
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am one who has 2 straps a watch..not so much a strap kaki..
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i got 5 after market strap if exclude oem strap however i am not as crazy as Scott :Dancing_banana:
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2 straps for my PAM 104 so far....cheers
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(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4135/4782978424_4fb5244845.jpg)
have got a couple here.
it's great to have a watch whereby u can switch its appearance in matter of seconds.
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I intend to look for that kind of watch whereby its appearance can be changed with different straps.What other brands beside PAM can change its appearance
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Nice PAM ;)
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buy watch oledi no money buy strap :Blue: :Blue:
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Good info on why PAM is special. :thumbsup: