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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: Cocas on August 10, 2018, 11:15:05 AM
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I was drawn to handwind movement watch lately.
I have 11 of them now and believe their number will keep growing.
What do mwf shifu think about manual movement watch?
Thanks! :thumbsup:
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Dear Cocas,
I do not have vast experience of owning many watches like you but im just chipping in some of my 2cents ;)
I have to say that I'm a great fan of manual winding watch due to the following reasons :
1) For watches without Power Reserve indicator - I have full control and knowledge on how much PR left since last wound.
2) I love the great personal interaction with the watch (even for watches with 72H PR, i wind it everyday)
3) Winding the watch will not be as harmful as winding an automatic watch due to the teeth of gears being larger & more durable.
4) Keeping the best for last - Manual wind watches with display caseback is gorgeous! No obstruction in admiring the whole movement !
Do you agree ?
Best regards
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Thanks @dexson shifu input. I couldn't agree more :thumbsup:. .
I have few handwind watches and they are more shock resistant than automatic watches.
Even the watchsminth prefer to service handwind than automatic.
Handwind watch is thinner than automatic watch and make them most suitable to wear with official attire for ball or formal function.
Dear Cocas,
I do not have vast experience of owning many watches like you but im just chipping in some of my 2cents ;)
I have to say that I'm a great fan of manual winding watch due to the following reasons :
1) For watches without Power Reserve indicator - I have full control and knowledge on how much PR left since last wound.
2) I love the great personal interaction with the watch (even for watches with 72H PR, i wind it everyday)
3) Winding the watch will not be as harmful as winding an automatic watch due to the teeth of gears being larger & more durable.
4) Keeping the best for last - Manual wind watches with display caseback is gorgeous! No obstruction in admiring the whole movement !
Do you agree ?
Best regards
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thanks guys for the input.
just want to ask, if entry level automatic watch (SKX and SNK models).
what would be your preferences for entry level manual wind watches?
i know that orient bambino is great deal for entry level, planning to get my first manual wind by end of this year ;D
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hi Haziq,
There are many entry level manual wind watches available but it is quite difficult to get in Malaysia (at least for me).
You can try few brands online like Steinhart (2-4k, & if you dont mind homage brand), Stowa, Wilkwatches, Gruppo gamma..
Usually it will be modified versions of unitas 6497 but it is a damn robust movement. Even premium brands like Panerai used to equip them.
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this,
https://monochrome-watches.com/hamilton-khaki-field-mechanical-38mm-value-proposition-price/
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Steinhart manual wind " Nav B-Uhr 47 Handaufzug Black "
Its price is cheaper or the same as Orient manual wind watch.
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Would like to have one manual hand winding watch, best with power reserve indicator so I won't over-wound it.
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hi Haziq,
There are many entry level manual wind watches available but it is quite difficult to get in Malaysia (at least for me).
You can try few brands online like Steinhart (2-4k, & if you dont mind homage brand), Stowa, Wilkwatches, Gruppo gamma..
Usually it will be modified versions of unitas 6497 but it is a damn robust movement. Even premium brands like Panerai used to equip them.
thanks!!! i will do some homeowork tonight on the suggestion, i have pretty small wrist. 38-39mm is my sweet spot.
i've heard and saw Stowa, others i prefer to try to see them in front my eyes first ;D
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this,
https://monochrome-watches.com/hamilton-khaki-field-mechanical-38mm-value-proposition-price/
i've been eyeing this watch for quite some time :)
its within my sweet spot watch size too, and i've drop by their AD in Aman Sentral last month - i've made my mind to own this watch first before any other watch.
idk, there's something about the design i guess.
currently i'm wearing SNK809 but change the straps to looks like hamilton :D
anyways, the aman sentral watch shop at ground floor offer 30% to hamilton and ORIS - not sure until when tho
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Steinhart manual wind " Nav B-Uhr 47 Handaufzug Black "
Its price is cheaper or the same as Orient manual wind watch.
it has the IWC pilot style. i like that simple yet works design.
too bad its out of my skinny wrist size. nvmnd, i still appreciate your recommendation and looking for other models they had if caught my interest.
thanks guys for the recommendation, didnt expect anyone will reply ;D
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More interaction and engagement with the watch.
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one of reasons to stop me from buying moonwatch is because of manual winding movement.
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If the winding is smooth, owning a manual winding watch is a wonderful experience.
Get one with decent power reserve. Trust me, you will look forward to wind it everyday in the morning before going to work.
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I guess the disadvantage of manual winding watch is you need to remember when you last wound it. Had a PAM111 with me, always forgot when i last wound and it stopa on my wrist sometimes.
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quite ma farn to wind everyday lol. i'd rather a automatic watch
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Already owned few units automatic movement.....Gonna get a manual wound PAM soon....Hehe....
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I love to own one manual winding (which haven't) the holy grail is grand seiko SBGW series i dream everyday.
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Yes....more durable and can play sports with it too :)
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I'd split my answer as follows:
My vote is automatic watch for any timepiece with a date / day / calendar complication.
I will vote a manual watch for everything else so that you get to enjoy mostly thinner timepieces and the pure romanticism of mechanical watches.
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quite ma farn to wind everyday lol. i'd rather a automatic watch
If you want to go for manual winding, go for the one that can last you longer, i.e the Panerai 8 days. You would only need to wind it once a week...
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i heard that manual movement watch cant over wind it or u will broke it
i guess this is the only down side of manual watch?
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i heard that manual movement watch cant over wind it or u will broke it
i guess this is the only down side of manual watch?
Factually untrue about manual watches. I own two manual watches from 2 different and reputable brands, and for both once you reach the limit of the winding, you can't wind any further (it is an inbuilt protection against over-winding).
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i heard that manual movement watch cant over wind it or u will broke it
i guess this is the only down side of manual watch?
Factually untrue about manual watches. I own two manual watches from 2 different and reputable brands, and for both once you reach the limit of the winding, you can't wind any further (it is an inbuilt protection against over-winding).
Hmm true also, there's alot type where offers hacking winding, where it actually 'charges' the watch as we wear it, so technically it will not be over charged hahahaha
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i heard that manual movement watch cant over wind it or u will broke it
i guess this is the only down side of manual watch?
Downside? Are you kidding me?
Every mechanical system ( a watch is a mechanical system ) has a limit. If you ever wound one, there is an obvious stop that tells you that you are at 100%. Unless your fingers are numb and you can't feel anything, you should stop there. If you take a plier at that point and force your way through, yes you will break it.
So by the same logic, all watches have a downside. You can't drop it from a table onto a hard tiled floor. Cause you will break it. Oh my, I guess that is the only downside to having a watch.
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Hmm true also, there's alot type where offers hacking winding, where it actually 'charges' the watch as we wear it, so technically it will not be over charged hahahaha
I think you mean automatic bro - Automatic watches are the ones that has its mainspring wound on the movement of your wrist, ie. which I believe is what you mean when you say 'charging'. Most, if not all mainstream automatic watches have some form of overwound protection also.
Hacking is a term I believe refers to when you pull out the crown to set the time, the seconds hand stops. There are actually watches that don't have this as a standard, so sometimes you hear of people promoting 'hacking seconds' as a feature.
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i heard that manual movement watch cant over wind it or u will broke it
i guess this is the only down side of manual watch?
Downside? Are you kidding me?
Every mechanical system ( a watch is a mechanical system ) has a limit. If you ever wound one, there is an obvious stop that tells you that you are at 100%. Unless your fingers are numb and you can't feel anything, you should stop there. If you take a plier at that point and force your way through, yes you will break it.
So by the same logic, all watches have a downside. You can't drop it from a table onto a hard tiled floor. Cause you will break it. Oh my, I guess that is the only downside to having a watch.
Well, to add on, I think sometimes a lack of awareness also doesn't help the cause.
I guess that's why Quartz watches are sometimes the best for the uninitiated - no misconceptions about winding, over-winding etc.. You set it, it runs until its outta battery, you change the battery. If you drop it and it breaks, buy a new one... unless its a G-Shock - that one can probably survive the hard tiled floor fall!
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Now the only quartz I dream of is grand seiko JDM model sbgx063 or SBGT015
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Freefighter
Your patience and understanding is admirable. Drinks ( teh tarik ) on me if we do meet up in the future.
The price range for quartz can get in the 5 figure range if you opt for higher end pieces. I doubt those can be disposed. But you are right about Gshocks. The rubberized ones are tough as nails. Not sure about the steel ones as the rubber absorbs a large part of any impact you can throw at it.
I guess we have sidetracked from the original purpose of this thread. Let us get back to manual wind watches now shall we?
Another good reason for manual wind watches is the lack of rotor. If the movement is highly decorated, i can see and admire the movement without the rotor getting in the way, unless it's a movement with micro rotor.
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Freefighter
Your patience and understanding is admirable. Drinks ( teh tarik ) on me if we do meet up in the future.
The price range for quartz can get in the 5 figure range if you opt for higher end pieces. I doubt those can be disposed. But you are right about Gshocks. The rubberized ones are tough as nails. Not sure about the steel ones as the rubber absorbs a large part of any impact you can throw at it.
I guess we have sidetracked from the original purpose of this thread. Let us get back to manual wind watches now shall we?
Another good reason for manual wind watches is the lack of rotor. If the movement is highly decorated, i can see and admire the movement without the rotor getting in the way, unless it's a movement with micro rotor.
Any good manual wind watch you can intro? As I mentioned earlier my holy grail is GS sbgw series
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I'm not an expert in this matter, but i can certainly try.
What is your budget? Are you looking for a sporty or dress piece? Does movement finishing matter to you? Preferred watch size? Large coffee saucer or classy-thin dress piece?
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Budget if possible below 2k from my holy grail you will know I am towards dressy and simplicity design. Once consider Hamilton khaki manual wind. Don’t wind used or 15-20 yrs old watch.
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If you can up your budget, Nomos seems to be the darling in most watch forums. Somebody was selling one in this forum for about 5k i think. Dressy and bauhaus simplicity. Pretty decent finishing too.
At below 2k, a dressy piece that I like is Orient Monarch. Look it up.
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Freefighter
Your patience and understanding is admirable. Drinks ( teh tarik ) on me if we do meet up in the future.
The price range for quartz can get in the 5 figure range if you opt for higher end pieces. I doubt those can be disposed. But you are right about Gshocks. The rubberized ones are tough as nails. Not sure about the steel ones as the rubber absorbs a large part of any impact you can throw at it.
I guess we have sidetracked from the original purpose of this thread. Let us get back to manual wind watches now shall we?
Another good reason for manual wind watches is the lack of rotor. If the movement is highly decorated, i can see and admire the movement without the rotor getting in the way, unless it's a movement with micro rotor.
I will certainly take you up on this offer if the opportunity does come in the future.
As to Sernsin, I would echo what iffy38 says if you're looking for manual winds - Nomos tends to be a global enthusiast's favourite but you can't really get them from any AD here. You can order it online directly though.
Another cheaper alternative in the German camp with some design icon status could be the Junghans Max Bill manual wind. It is however not easy to find in Malaysia as the ADs tend to only stock the autos.
Swiss side gets a bit trickier. Using the assumption of the price of a SBGW235 (ie. RM20k or less), the only notable manual wind is the Speedmaster professional but then you'd have to accept a less simple design as no chronograph looks simple.
Perhaps if you are willing to consider pre-owned, you might be able to find a JLC Reverso Grand Taille or Classique?
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Just say the word buddy.
The Max Bill, Reverso and Speedmaster whether new or pre-owned is way above his budget of 2k.
That is why the Orient Monarch is such value of money. Below RM1k new if you know where to shop, in house Japanese movement, 40 hr PR with PR indicator. Swiss side at that price range, you get ETA ( The Hammy ) or Unitas movement resurrected from the pocket watch universe. Nothing's wrong with that, just that In house movement get my vote.
Just noticed there is a Hammy Khaki on sale in this forum at the moment.
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Haha. I read his message as "2k under the price of his grail watch which was a GS SBGW series piece" - May have incorrectly assumed that to mean something around the RM 15-20k price point.
Completely concur with Orient as a strong value proposition. I reckon if it weren't a manual and under RM 2k, a long hard look at Seiko's entire catalog is worth the time too (especially JDM catalog).
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My holy grail is GS SBGW series, lucky enough SBGW001 around 7k-8k possible.
I know for time been i can't afford, so i dont mind purchase some cheaper get a hand of feel the manual wind watch.
I am also consider vintage king seiko manual wind. The problems is getting the vintage watches might some mechanics issue, this is hold me on, but who know after few months i might got a King Seiko from buyee.jp and will share my experience here again. ciao
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If you can up your budget, Nomos seems to be the darling in most watch forums. Somebody was selling one in this forum for about 5k i think. Dressy and bauhaus simplicity. Pretty decent finishing too.
At below 2k, a dressy piece that I like is Orient Monarch. Look it up.
TQ very much nomos is nice but is not my cup of tea watch.
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Steinhart manual wind " Nav B-Uhr 47 Handaufzug Black "
Its price is cheaper or the same as Orient manual wind watch.
i actually owned the steinhart Nav B-Uhr 47mm black..its a huge watch.. and thick as well.. 40mm is just nice as it doesnt look too big or too small..but i love the manual wind as its movement is louder than automatic.. the sound of it ticking is mesmerizing.. :D :D
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Your best bet will likely be either from Germany or Japan.
In the German camp, if you don't mind something a little different you can check out Meistersinger. Challenge might be acquiring it as I don't think there are any resellers here in Malaysia.
If you can up your budget, Nomos seems to be the darling in most watch forums. Somebody was selling one in this forum for about 5k i think. Dressy and bauhaus simplicity. Pretty decent finishing too.
At below 2k, a dressy piece that I like is Orient Monarch. Look it up.
TQ very much nomos is nice but is not my cup of tea watch.
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Your best bet will likely be either from Germany or Japan.
In the German camp, if you don't mind something a little different you can check out Meistersinger. Challenge might be acquiring it as I don't think there are any resellers here in Malaysia.
If you can up your budget, Nomos seems to be the darling in most watch forums. Somebody was selling one in this forum for about 5k i think. Dressy and bauhaus simplicity. Pretty decent finishing too.
At below 2k, a dressy piece that I like is Orient Monarch. Look it up.
TQ very much nomos is nice but is not my cup of tea watch.
Thanks I am also notice some Russia brand like Vostok also. Just the dial and design not my cup of tea.
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one of reasons to stop me from buying moonwatch is because of manual winding movement.
i love it
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I would prefer automatic movements because of convenience.
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“10 Great Hand-Wound Watches For $1,500 and Under” via @watchville https://api.watchville.co/v2/posts/37490/click
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Gotta love that Timex and Chris Ward C5.
If you like ultra thin watches, the EPOS 3408 is amazing too.
40mm diameter, 5.9 mm thickness with a display back at a price many of us can afford. Like RM 3-4k.
I doubt you can get automatic watch that thin unless it has a micro rotor, which we will be adding another zero to the price.
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this,
https://monochrome-watches.com/hamilton-khaki-field-mechanical-38mm-value-proposition-price/
i've been eyeing this watch for quite some time :)
its within my sweet spot watch size too, and i've drop by their AD in Aman Sentral last month - i've made my mind to own this watch first before any other watch.
idk, there's something about the design i guess.
currently i'm wearing SNK809 but change the straps to looks like hamilton :D
anyways, the aman sentral watch shop at ground floor offer 30% to hamilton and ORIS - not sure until when tho
Joms we go buy together! See if we could get a discount if we buy 2 lol. I’m eyeing this as my next watch as well.
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I was drawn to handwind movement watch lately.
I have 11 of them now and believe their number will keep growing.
What do mwf shifu think about manual movement watch?
Thanks! :thumbsup:
Personally I don't like...
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hand winding watch more accurate then automatic .
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one of reasons to stop me from buying moonwatch is because of manual winding movement.
The reason why Omega made the Speedmaster moonwatch a manual winding one was because it was intended to win the coveted role of accompanying American astronauts into space. Out there, there is no gravity so the rotor of an automatic will not turn so easily. This was the 1960s, before the age of quartz timekeepers.
Yes, the Speedmaster (professional version is the manual one, customers can also buy auto Speedies) the THE epitome of manual winders!
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hand winding watch more accurate then automatic .
How did you come to this conclusion ? :Confused:
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Yes, the Speedmaster (professional version is the manual one, customers can also buy auto Speedies) the THE epitome of manual winders!
I had the auto-winding Speedy, which was easier to maintain as they could be placed in the winder and be ready to go at any time I felt like picking it up. However, I also liked my manual-winding Speedy as these had the old-day charms of my vintage watches. There's something very soothing about winding them up every other day.
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yes , manual winding more accurate
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yes , manual winding more accurate
Again, another one who's asking how you came to this conclusion?
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I’ll prefer auto. When you forget to wind somedays the time stop. U will be late for work. ;) :D
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I like both. I mean who doesn't right.
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Don't like it, very ma fan
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i love both Manual hand Wind and Automatic watch..
for Manual Hand Wind better choose have power reserve indicator..
but for me the watch not only see the time, also a fashion to me to match my dress up.
so if the manual hand wind watch stop.. i still got my phone !!! hahahahah
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I got an old manual winding Rolex. Not sure the exact model but it has served me well over the years. Passed down from my grandfather
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Own a 50yrs seiko skyliner ... weekly not more than 30sec. Impressive
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Yup. I got two that I really like. Speedy Pro and The Hack.
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Personally, I usually prefer automatic movements, not a big fan of manual winding :angel:
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Just bought a new grail PAM 795 before CNY.....Awesome 8 day PW with sandwich dial ....Love it very much...... :D
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manual winding is a must to collect! Rare in market nowadays and beautiful execution movement!
And Give u the most direct contact with the watch! Is the way of how u speak with your watch.
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had 3 manual winding and loving it :thumbsup:
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Lange 1 Moonphase is a manual wound watch that's absolutely gorgeous.
Unless you use your autos everyday, you'd probably have to manually wind them too unless you have an auto watch winder.
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Ever since i bought my Reverso GMT i PREFER hand wound watches. Especially when it has a power reserve indicator and 10 day reserve. Wind it just once a week on Sunday same time in the evening. Never had it stop on me.
On the other hand, my Rolex stops on me when i don't wear it enough and i never know when it will do it.
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I dont really mind both, but would prefer my vintage watches to be manual wound - there's a certain charm to them, and a real pleasure to wind them every morning before i head off to work :)
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Just joined the party with a Omega 1861 based broad arrow speedy. Hmmm... So far i'd say it hasn't bothered me much. Gripes, yes but a minor one really. The speedmaster crown isn't exactly a joy to wind as it sits deep into the crown guard but it's workable. Apart from that, hand winding does not bother me.
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Will manual winding suffer from wear and tear faster compared to automatic watches? Assuming both are worn daily.
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Will manual winding suffer from wear and tear faster compared to automatic watches? Assuming both are worn daily.
Haven't heard that side of the argument before - assuming that the winding motion of automatic movements are similar to a hand wound one.. so shouldn't be an issue?
Anyone can shed some light here?