Rolex Sea Dweller VS Submariner

[Mark]

Guys, which will you go?

Rolex SD or Sub, why?

Thanks ^_^

 

[terrenceterrence]

SD... a rare beast.

Then after that get a GMT II if you want a Rolex with a cyclop 

[TheHobbit]

If I can, I have both. Both watches are unique and both are awesome tool watches. But if pressed, I will go with the SD. Why? It is an awesome tool watch with date complication and no cyclops

[GMTmaster]

Enlightening me please, although I am not against SD or SUB here, I found that both watches are okay only, functioning wise.

Okay, they can be used for diving, but who can actually dive down to 300 meter? The recreational diving limit is 55 meter max. Why do we need 3900 meter for SD and 300 meter for Sub? I accept Sub's 300 meter, cause we need some safety factors here, but isn't SD's 3900 meter too far fetched? 

Maybe the rotating bezel is useful here. Pardon me for I am not a diver. 

[meoramri]

I got an DSSD.

The plus points that makes me pick the SD over the sub:
- technology, serious design and manufacturing process to create a 3.9km diver
- date without the cyclop

[chrisyen]

Enlightening me please, although I am not against SD or SUB here, I found that both watches are okay only, functioning wise.

Okay, they can be used for diving, but who can actually dive down to 300 meter? The recreational diving limit is 55 meter max. Why do we need 3900 meter for SD and 300 meter for Sub? I accept Sub's 300 meter, cause we need some safety factors here, but isn't SD's 3900 meter too far fetched? 

Maybe the rotating bezel is useful here. Pardon me for I am not a diver. 

Ppl buy golf gti not bcoz they can or want to speed up to max
So they r ppl will jus buy golf tsi bcoz they aren't really feel, care or need the different

Function wise I guess g shock the best, now with solar some more, price cheaper than service cost of a Rolex sub n SD
Basic g shock already Gd wr, gd shock r, world time, chronograph, stop watch... Light for night reading...

[mnazri.tan]

 

[JayJay]

I go for sub than SD,
Most diver/sport watch follow sub unique face - subs is benchmarch

[Godzillaz]

SD is one of the real tool watch from Rolex. It only come with steel (no 2 tone, yellow gold or white gold kinda stuff) because it was meant to use as a tool.

There are saturation diver that goes down to the depth of 200+ meters. A sub will not handle that with a vote of confidence because even though is rated 300m the actually usable depth might be something like 120+ meters. The measurement of a diving depth for a watch is conduct in an idle state. Once the watch start moving the actually depth must take in some reduction as the pressure of a object in motion is greater than one in an idle state.

You're right a recreation diver only goes down to about 55m but the SD is not for recreation. It's for this type of guys.



sources: Jake's Rolex Blog

They ain't the recreation type 

The SD are now getting attention as a hip watch before it always remain as a tool for serious use. One of the last sport model that carry the old Rolex spirit of producing reliable watch for the people in use.

If it were up to me I would choose a SD before a Sub.

Regards
Tyler

Enlightening me please, although I am not against SD or SUB here, I found that both watches are okay only, functioning wise.

Okay, they can be used for diving, but who can actually dive down to 300 meter? The recreational diving limit is 55 meter max. Why do we need 3900 meter for SD and 300 meter for Sub? I accept Sub's 300 meter, cause we need some safety factors here, but isn't SD's 3900 meter too far fetched? 

Maybe the rotating bezel is useful here. Pardon me for I am not a diver. 

[sm]

Trust Rolex on the ability to re-create three markets for its line of almost similar design and colours models: the deep sea/SD, sub and GMT. At a glance all the design DNA are almost identical.

I notice the SD is making a strong comeback after being replaced with the deepsea. There are no that many in the preowned market cause those days, the sub(non-ceramic) was a real seller whereas the SD was deemed to be quite pricey.

I suppose being 'less is more', there is the resurgence of the SD, both being a tool watch and a collectors piece. To me, SD hands down.

sm

[scalpel72]

Seadweller 

1. Because it has been discontinued.
2. Because as has been said, a real tool watch and
    can take a licking, a no nonsense performer
3. Because it doesn't have a cyclops
4. Because of its history.
5. Price has no way to go but up
6. The DSSD would also be my choice over the
    other subs.

 

[terrenceterrence]

Trust Rolex on the ability to re-create three markets for its line of almost similar design and colours models: the deep sea/SD, sub and GMT. At a glance all the design DNA are almost identical.

sm

what about Panerai then? 

[sm]

bro terrence

with utmost respect to panerai lovers, I still dont understand why panerai is sweeping thro the watch industry in such a big wave. This is one brand where its models are known more by numbers eg 88, 176, etc and not so much by model name. I am attending the dinner tonite to learn and be educated.

There is this shop in HK that specialises in pam and I witnessed customers come by to purchase various straps and not just the product itself. It has evolved into a cult-like identity with the younger generation which is driving today's consumerism.

I have difficulty identifying the ranges as the caseback are almost identical except for the radiomir and the 47mm which is HUGH, by asian standards. I have tried it on and its like putting on a pocketwatch on my wrist (pun)! I reserve my comment on the material used and the design.

Pam still have a long way to go to ensure that the fad lasts. But I must admit that it has gone upscale with the new boutiques and the LE & SE. However I have yet to see the upper society embrace it, status wise it is still afew notches below AP, Lange etc. The presentation, as stated by bro derek is top class, a craftsmanship box, add strap and tools. It put Rolex to shame, which to me has the least impressive packaging at their price range.

I have since owned a radiomir and luminor and still figuring out what is Panerai. Will it be able to reinvent itself after the fad is long gone is anybody guess. Even G-shock, swatch and seiko have played the game long enough and I think they will be around for a long long time. I think watch making is a very competitive business, at any market segment.

I hope I dont evoke outburst from pam lovers and hope to meet them soon.

sm

[Godzillaz]

You have insulted my intelligent. Tonight dinner you will die a slow slow death.

Joking aside. See you tonight and will try to spread the poison to you.

Regards
Tyler

bro terrence

with utmost respect to panerai lovers, I still dont understand why panerai is sweeping thro the watch industry in such a big wave. This is one brand where its models are known more by numbers eg 88, 176, etc and not so much by model name. I am attending the dinner tonite to learn and be educated.

There is this shop in HK that specialises in pam and I witnessed customers come by to purchase various straps and not just the product itself. It has evolved into a cult-like identity with the younger generation which is driving today's consumerism.

I have difficulty identifying the ranges as the caseback are almost identical except for the radiomir and the 47mm which is HUGH, by asian standards. I have tried it on and its like putting on a pocketwatch on my wrist (pun)! I reserve my comment on the material used and the design.

Pam still have a long way to go to ensure that the fad lasts. But I must admit that it has gone upscale with the new boutiques and the LE & SE. However I have yet to see the upper society embrace it, status wise it is still afew notches below AP, Lange etc. The presentation, as stated by bro derek is top class, a craftsmanship box, add strap and tools. It put Rolex to shame, which to me has the least impressive packaging at their price range.

I have since owned a radiomir and luminor and still figuring out what is Panerai. Will it be able to reinvent itself after the fad is long gone is anybody guess. Even G-shock, swatch and seiko have played the game long enough and I think they will be around for a long long time. I think watch making is a very competitive business, at any market segment.

I hope I dont evoke outburst from pam lovers and hope to meet them soon.

sm

[IWCking]

SM,

I agreed with you to certain extent. I bought my Pam several years ago when most watch lovers in malaysia have not heard of pam before. Well, their impressive marketing, history and iconic design was what attracted me. "Limited supply" strategy work very well for Pam I guess.

However, a lot of watch sellers including those very experienced watch sellers remained very skeptical towards Pam. As far as they are concerned, its just a newer brand with a big case. Nothing fancy. Personally speaking and indeed a lot of watch collectors will probably just stick with basic Pam and shield away from Pam with complication. I have seemed and heard some bad qc of Pam both online and from acquitances pertaining to inferior quality of pam with grand complication.

Be that as it may, i dont think Pam will die out like other brands. Its relatively new in Msia. But it has been standing very strong in mature and competitive markets like US, Europe, Japan and HK for more than 10 years.

Back to this topic again, I will go for Submariner since Submariner is the icon of Rollie, beside daytona. SD resell which is probably a reflection of collector and buyer suggest that market is not that receptive towards SD.

[TheHobbit]

Guys, which will you go?

Rolex SD or Sub, why?

Thanks ^_^

 

Just to confirm but the Sub you are asking is the 14060M or 16610?

[Mark]

Thanks guys for all the suggestions, I am asking for the Sub-date. 16610

[dpkong]

if you aren't a real diver going down to serious depths, the SD or DSSD is overkill. also worth mentioning is the really thick case and large size so if you have small wrists, i think it's definitely out.

myself have no interest in the SD or DSSD..

[jacky8888]

Sea dweller wins....... Hands down....

[Enkidu]

Okay, they can be used for diving, but who can actually dive down to 300 meter? The recreational diving limit is 55 meter max. Why do we need 3900 meter for SD and 300 meter for Sub?

We don't need 300m / 3900m. But it's nice sometimes to be able to fantasize you are wearing one behind a periscope like a real Submariner..........

[terrenceterrence]

The advert is a Sub and not a SeaDweller or Sub Date

[tonykpk]

Technically the sd is more superior in built with its 1,200m  depth water resistant . Without the cyclops from afar ,it looks like a14060 m. If the sd cost slightly more than the sub,go for the sd.No doubt about that ,as for me I'm happy with my Dssd. Just my opinion.. fr ..tony..

[sshark]

It is not just the price. SD is thicker than sub (14.8 vs 13mm). Sub has the height of other sport models (13 vs 12.2 vs 12.4mm). To me it is not matter of price, it is how u prefer to wear it. SD wears thicker. as far as water resistant concern, 100m is more than enough for recreational diving.

[dennis.T]

Trust Rolex on the ability to re-create three markets for its line of almost similar design and colours models: the deep sea/SD, sub and GMT. At a glance all the design DNA are almost identical.

sm

what about Panerai then? 

No disrespect to the Pam owner/fans cos I myself used to be a Pam owner

[Gigi]

SD all the way.

-One of the kind, dont see it around in public unless u go to a rolex kaki gathering 

-No cyclops, not many ppl know its a rolex without the trademark cyclops?

-High WR rating for the small case size, i take it as technical wonder. All the watch these day are huge but don or may have the WR rating as SD.

-I can wear it well even tho i had small wrist after took out all the pernament link