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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: chai2911 on September 02, 2017, 09:52:48 AM
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Hi All,
Need your help to check whether the rolex explorer II is real or fake.
Model 16570 Z series year 2007.
Thank you.
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Firstly, check the chapter ring must have "Rolex" wording engraved.
Then looking for Rolex Crown laser incripted logo at about 6 o'clock position.
The last I will check on the Rolex Explorer II Z series. The movement should be 3186.
Hope the above points help. Just happen I got the Z series Explorer II. :laugh:
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I think the late batch of z series may get 3186 else most likely it will be 3185
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Best to sent to RSC to check
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Dear All,
Thanks for the reply.
Managed to ask seller to send more photos.
It shows 3185 movement with engraved 2180.
Here you go as below.
Please advise.
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Only some late z series comes with 3186 movements .
Ask seller to send u a photo between the lugs at 6 0clock n also at 12
The movements looks Gd if it's fr the actual watch.
If u receive the photo between the lugs , tally it with the serial nos on the card,
It's better to do a F2F deal.
The engrave serial nos between the lugs should be neatly done on a ori rolex
Regards.
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Dear Tony,
Noted with thanks.
Will ask seller to let me see the 12 o clock n 6 o clock to check serial nimber n model number.
Thank you.
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From the photo u posted earlier,I noticed this watch comes without chapter ring.
So u need the photos between the lugs to view n tally the serial nos.
Happy hunting.
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Also with a country code of 100 , this watch should have been sold from a Germany AD.
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Noted on the chapter ring. Where do i check the countey code on the watch?
Thank you.
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Only the ad stamp on warranty card
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Pictures may always be real. What you get in the post may be something else. Beware of extremely good deals.
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Noted. Will meet seller F2F today. Thanks for you all for help.
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Met with seller at RSC, if genuine buyer pay authentication
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RSC in KL doesn't do authentication anymore, unless you opt in full service
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RSC in KL doesn't do authentication anymore, unless you opt in full service
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really? no more authentication ?
but out of curiosity how much RSC charge for authentication?
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RSC in KL doesn't do authentication anymore, unless you opt in full service
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lousy after sales support
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Confirmed, RSC not doing authentication anymore.
But any certified / experienced sifu / watch tech can authentic your watch for a small fees. if you know where..
dc
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or u can opt for service quotation for a small fee at rsc. if the watch is fake, they will not do the quotation.
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or u can opt for service quotation for a small fee at rsc. if the watch is fake, they will not do the quotation.
So the authention is actually free.
If they reject it, means its a fake?
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or u can opt for service quotation for a small fee at rsc. if the watch is fake, they will not do the quotation.
So the authention is actually free.
If they reject it, means its a fake?
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You need to pay for the authentication/quotation RM200+
They will refuse service if its a fake.
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Hi there,
I suggest you to look for these details.
1) Look at the movement of 3186 that must be same as the movement of Rolex GMT-||.
2) Look if there is chapter ring.
3) Look at the serial number located at 6 o'clock of the case. It must be the same as the serial number written in the warranty card.
4) Try placing the watch on the table and notice its bracelet if its flexible. Stiff bracelet may indicate that its fake.
These are by far details I could thought of.
Hope this helps :)
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or u can opt for service quotation for a small fee at rsc. if the watch is fake, they will not do the quotation.
So the authention is actually free.
If they reject it, means its a fake?
Sent from my HUAWEI VNS-L31 using Tapatalk
You need to pay for the authentication/quotation RM200+
They will refuse service if its a fake.
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but for authentication I still doubt they will check like every parts.. frankenstein watch is very hard to check
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Hi there,
I suggest you to look for these details.
1) Look at the movement of 3186 that must be same as the movement of Rolex GMT-||.
2) Look if there is chapter ring.
3) Look at the serial number located at 6 o'clock of the case. It must be the same as the serial number written in the warranty card.
4) Try placing the watch on the table and notice its bracelet if its flexible. Stiff bracelet may indicate that its fake.
These are by far details I could thought of.
Hope this helps :)
Please take note that not every rolex 16570 comes with 3186 movement .
Neither do all 16570 comes with chapter ring.
Regards.
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Hey guys, was looking through the search and this was the closest thread I found where I thought I could raise my concern.
No offence to anyone, please, apologies in advance if I do...but I can’t help but notice a recent Rolex Exp II 16570 sale in this forum that had a very suspicious looking date window/cyclops magnification (you may look for pictures there) . I’m not out to hang anyone out to dry, but perhaps even the seller may not have realised , who happened to recently join this forum. But I thought that since this is indeed a reputable watch forum, we should be discussing such technicalities and prevent any potential counterfeits from creeping in here.
What do you guys think? Let’s have an objective discussion, and again, I am not looking to accuse anyone, it could be purely out of ignorance, and I on the other hand could be wrong.
Cheers
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Hey guys, was looking through the search and this was the closest thread I found where I thought I could raise my concern.
No offence to anyone, please, apologies in advance if I do...but I can’t help but notice a recent Rolex Exp II 16570 sale in this forum that had a very suspicious looking date window/cyclops magnification (you may look for pictures there) . I’m not out to hang anyone out to dry, but perhaps even the seller may not have realised , who happened to recently join this forum. But I thought that since this is indeed a reputable watch forum, we should be discussing such technicalities and prevent any potential counterfeits from creeping in here.
What do you guys think? Let’s have an objective discussion, and again, I am not looking to accuse anyone, it could be purely out of ignorance, and I on the other hand could be wrong.
Cheers
Yup I have noticed that too. ??? ??? The date was not MAGNIFIED big enough. Usually the date should fill up most of the cyclops, leaving very little blank space. I could be wrong ;D ;D
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Hey guys, was looking through the search and this was the closest thread I found where I thought I could raise my concern.
No offence to anyone, please, apologies in advance if I do...but I can’t help but notice a recent Rolex Exp II 16570 sale in this forum that had a very suspicious looking date window/cyclops magnification (you may look for pictures there) . I’m not out to hang anyone out to dry, but perhaps even the seller may not have realised , who happened to recently join this forum. But I thought that since this is indeed a reputable watch forum, we should be discussing such technicalities and prevent any potential counterfeits from creeping in here.
What do you guys think? Let’s have an objective discussion, and again, I am not looking to accuse anyone, it could be purely out of ignorance, and I on the other hand could be wrong.
Cheers
Yup I have noticed that too. ??? ??? The date was not MAGNIFIED big enough. Usually the date should fill up most of the cyclops, leaving very little blank space. I could be wrong ;D ;D
That makes 2 of us then… at least my eyesight is still working…hehe
What’s worrying then is that it is on this forum, and was Sold! :Startled: :Startled:
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That's worrisome. I have to admit I'm not really all that sharp when it comes to telling good reps from clones. Worrying that it is something circulating.
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Hey guys, was looking through the search and this was the closest thread I found where I thought I could raise my concern.
No offence to anyone, please, apologies in advance if I do...but I can’t help but notice a recent Rolex Exp II 16570 sale in this forum that had a very suspicious looking date window/cyclops magnification (you may look for pictures there) . I’m not out to hang anyone out to dry, but perhaps even the seller may not have realised , who happened to recently join this forum. But I thought that since this is indeed a reputable watch forum, we should be discussing such technicalities and prevent any potential counterfeits from creeping in here.
What do you guys think? Let’s have an objective discussion, and again, I am not looking to accuse anyone, it could be purely out of ignorance, and I on the other hand could be wrong.
Cheers
Yup I have noticed that too. ??? ??? The date was not MAGNIFIED big enough. Usually the date should fill up most of the cyclops, leaving very little blank space. I could be wrong ;D ;D
That makes 2 of us then… at least my eyesight is still working…hehe
What’s worrying then is that it is on this forum, and was Sold! :Startled: :Startled:
Perhaps it is just the crystal was aftermarket, the exp2 seem legit.
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Hey guys, was looking through the search and this was the closest thread I found where I thought I could raise my concern.
No offence to anyone, please, apologies in advance if I do...but I can’t help but notice a recent Rolex Exp II 16570 sale in this forum that had a very suspicious looking date window/cyclops magnification (you may look for pictures there) . I’m not out to hang anyone out to dry, but perhaps even the seller may not have realised , who happened to recently join this forum. But I thought that since this is indeed a reputable watch forum, we should be discussing such technicalities and prevent any potential counterfeits from creeping in here.
What do you guys think? Let’s have an objective discussion, and again, I am not looking to accuse anyone, it could be purely out of ignorance, and I on the other hand could be wrong.
Cheers
Yup I have noticed that too. ??? ??? The date was not MAGNIFIED big enough. Usually the date should fill up most of the cyclops, leaving very little blank space. I could be wrong ;D ;D
That makes 2 of us then… at least my eyesight is still working…hehe
What’s worrying then is that it is on this forum, and was Sold! :Startled: :Startled:
Perhaps it is just the crystal was aftermarket, the exp2 seem legit.
Could be a possibility, but another red flag is the font of the date and it seems not as clear as it should be..could be photo quality but still..raises questions…
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agree about the cyclops.. suspicious indeed.. and said watch is sold with "Rolex papers"
I recall a recent story about a franken watch auctioned with "Rolex papers" which actually did not guarantee anything about the watch being genuine.
https://perezcope.com/2021/06/01/escape-from-the-planet-of-the-fakes-the-french-foreign-legion-explorer/
Moreover, what guarantee is that the said watch was not meddled with after a proper RSC service? With the quality of fakes these days, hard to buy on used market and not be 100% sure it's legit.
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Best send to some experienced sifu to check on the spot for a small fees...
Rsc don’t do authentication, even it does , it will take weeks or days for them to feedback to you..
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With the quality of fakes these days, hard to buy on used market and not be 100% sure it's legit.
This is a legit concern. On the surface its become quite challenging to even tell at all. Even with a rep/gen side by side also have to look closely. About the only way thats definitely conclusive is to pop the hood, but who's gonna agree to something like that kan?
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Not sure if we should get some clarification from the seller here to perhaps present his case...cos there is yet another watch for sale from em... ???
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Not sure if we should get some clarification from the seller here to perhaps present his case...cos there is yet another watch for sale from em... ???
End of the day, it's buyer beware.. the group does not hold any responsibility for deals conducted from here. Nobody rewards us when they get a good deal anyway..
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Not sure if we should get some clarification from the seller here to perhaps present his case...cos there is yet another watch for sale from em... ???
End of the day, it's buyer beware.. the group does not hold any responsibility for deals conducted from here. Nobody rewards us when they get a good deal anyway..
True that...the responsibility lies with each...
Well, I guess as a concerned netizen we've done our part - especially since we are in a forum specifically on the subject matter.
Cheers
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From the few pic cant tell the authenticity