Author Topic: Heritage & Savoir-Faire Part 4: Roger Dubuis Manufacture  (Read 10801 times)

Offline pifpaf

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 68
  • Blogger @ Foudroyante.com
    • www.foudroyante.com/
Heritage & Savoir-Faire Part 4: Roger Dubuis Manufacture
« on: September 04, 2012, 11:43:30 PM »
The counterfeiting gangrene is not a recently discovered disease. It already infected the watchmaking industry during the 18th century. To protect itself from the usurpation of the already prestigious Genevan origin, the corporation of watchmakers in this era created the Hallmark of Geneva (H.o.G).

Since the commercial law did not really exist at this time, in order to mark their difference, the leaders of the Genevan watchmaking chose to increase the quality of their production.
 The "Hallmark of Geneva" was born. Its quality requirements were difficult enough to differentiate a mere imitation from a watch made in the Canton after the Poinçon's criteria.



In 2011, these criteria were extended to the entire watch. The Hallmark is difficult to obtain, because it mainly involves the hidden parts of a watch. That implies investing lots of energy into components that only a technician will be able to admire, for example during a maintenance operation.
The Hallmark mainly regards the finishes: all the components must be devoid of cutting marks, and all of them must feature a finish such as stippling, drawing, and most of all polishing. This work also guarantees a better durability of the components.
 If the aesthetic aspect is crucial, now the Hallmark of Geneva has also four performance requirements: Waterproofing, accuracy, additional functions as well as a power-reserve tested in conditions as close as possible as when the time-keeper is worn by customers. The chronometric precision tests are done by comparing photos, shot on a seven-day cycle; the gap observed after this period should not exceed one minute.

In 2011, the Swiss watchmaking industry produced 29.8 million pieces. Only one million was COSC certified (by Timelab, which also manages the Hallmark) and 25,000 were granted the Hallmark of Geneva. Amongst theses 25,000 watches, 5000 were produced by Roger Dubuis, that is to say the entire production of the brand.

Thus, the Roger Dubuis Manufactory is unique in many respects.
 Most of the manufactories of the Canton of Geneva are located in horologic-industrial sites at Meyrin or at Plan-Les-Ouates. Almost all of these manufactories have at least one facility located in the Vallée of Joux or at the Chaux-de-Fond; these sites produce the "chips", which are assembled and sometimes finished in the Canton of Geneva.



But Roger Dubuis goes far beyond the affiliation of the Genevan area: 95% of the components are produced on the first floor of the Meyrin building. The only parts that are produced elsewhere are the rubies, the sapphire crystals and the titanium watchcases, whose machining leads to fire hazards difficult to manage, in a non-specialized Manufactory.
 One of the unforeseen consequences when the factory opened, in 1995, is that the brand probably has the smallest per watch CO2 footprint: actually, as every piece is transformed and finished in a single building, one avoids the endless back-and-forth between diverse subcontractors' facilities.


If the company was created in 1995, it only granted itself the title of Manufactory in 2000. The old fashioned or even knightly approach (which legitimizes the "Excalibur" series) was to integrate all the watch creation steps before claiming to be a Manufactory. At Geneva, one is used to be quicker: to grant oneself the title of "Manufactory", one generally waits to be able to print home-made press kits.

When every workshop started operating, it developed horizontally to fill the orders. When one knows how the Swiss manufactories usually grow, that is to say, in a far more opportunistic way, one can be surprised by Roger Dubuis' choices. But the watchmaker, during this period accompanied by Carlos Dias, had a real industrial and horologic vision, the choice of building the foundation first was indisputably logical.



Personally, I already knew some highly integrated factories with limited production (RD currently produces less than 5000 watches per year), such as De Bethune… But the integration level of the Roger Dubuis production, together with the Hallmark of Geneva is unique. And the obsession for the "home-made" goes very far because every single component, from the rarest, the hairspring, to the most common, the screw, is transformed and finished in the same facility.



But when you enter the first floor of the Meyrin building, the most impressive is that you come face to face with automatic lathes. It is true that at first sight, a lathe is not really sexy (or at least far less than some finishers).
But even the most prestigious manufactories usually subcontract their screws to houses such as Affolter... The lathing process is generally associated with the making of wheels. It is an excellent way to guarantee an optimal reactivity during the production of these types of components, for example to adapt the dimensions for the polishing process.







The wheels, the pinions and the screws will undergo systematic finishing processes (almost always polishing). In the diverse workshops, each finisher is specialized in one category of components.
For example, to finish the wheel teeth, one utilizes discs made of diverse woods, such as pear, beech wood, boxwood...The "mill" is slightly off centered with a piece of wood (usually a toothpick) , resulting in the elliptical movement of an endless screw, in order to alternatively pass between the teeth of every wheel;
 The type of wood and the thickness of the "off-centering piece" depend on the kind of wheels to be polished. The polishing process in itself is pretty quick (between 3 and 15 seconds), but the protection and the storage of wheels takes most of the time invested in the procedure.
So, the pinions are produced in the adjoining workshop. For example, the polishing of a wheel's pinions takes 17 different operations, performed by the same operator.
 Therefore, the technician must switch machines and tune them accordingly, as many times as necessary.
Considering the tiny scale of these components, it is an ant's work, literally.








The other main activity of Roger Dubuis Manufactory's first floor is the cutting of the bridges and plates.
The cutting processes are quite common and are generally performed on brass blocks.
One of Roger Dubuis' specialties is the magnificent skeletons, especially that of the double tourbillon with differential gear. At RD's, the skeletons are directly executed by numerical control machines; Therefore, all the mechanical stresses are pre-calculated, which prevents the warping of the weak plates.
In a similar way, the decorations of these components are machined, notably with a digital engine-turning machine;
Indeed, machines are more dependable in their motions and more economical in their material savings, a valuable quality regarding the stability of skeletonized parts.







As for the classic bridges and plates, they systematically go through the so-called "Hallmark of Geneva" workshop. It is one of the most active departments of the Manufactory: several dozens of finishers work at making all the movement's components beautiful. The techniques are quite common: engine-turning, Geneva stripes, polishing (with "beer-mug coaster" shaped discs). The obsessional pursuit of the good- workmanship and its systematic application is always as impressive as ever.








The last noteworthy part of the first level is the prototyping workshop. The prototype makers have a freehand to follow the creators' blueprints, with several independent numerical control machines as well as all the tools required for the finishing steps and the basic assembling processes;
They are totally independent regarding the fabrication of the prototypes. Therefore, the overall activities are not hindered and the reactivity and the confidentiality are optimal.



Then, we have the opportunity to take a tour of the core of the Manufactory (metaphorically as well a physically: the workshop sits at the very middle of the building), when we enter the workshop where the escapement devices are assembled. Unfortunately, the door to the shop, where the Elinvar blocs are transformed into hairsprings, remains closed. However, the watchmakers who built the escapement devices confide in us a few secrets.
Today, Roger Dubuis utilizes two families of hairsprings: the small one for the movements set at 28.800v/h and the bigger ones set at 21.600v/h, for the tourbillons. The assembling of the escapement device is the most strategic process in the fabrication of a Roger Dubuis watch. Indeed, each layout is modular and allows to easily assemble/disassemble the escapement device in a single step. The whole delicate tuning phase is performed in this workshop. The technicians have an unimaginable level of qualification and the communication with the workshop which produces the hairsprings could not be more direct: only one door separates them. The half dozen of technicians produce only 25 devices a day, two hours per escapement, actually. First of all, the hairsprings are cut out and set with a collet; then, the balance and the other components are fitted. An escapement device is composed of about 60 parts...










This enormous upstream work is useful, because it makes the work of the watchmakers and of the services department a lot easier. For this kind of result:

Excalibur double-flying tourbillon:



Excalibur minute repeater  and tourbillon



Monégasque Tourbillon



Excalibur 42



Velvet



Pulsion Chronograph



Monégasque Club



Throughout the multiple manufactories I have visited throughout the past few years, I had never noticed such a demonstration of strength, such a pursuit of quality.
If some very fine houses have as much savoir-faire as Roger Dubuis (but not more), these competencies are most often spread across several towns. In this case it is astounding: a single Genevan site integrates all of the crafts and machines required to produce a fine-watchmaking piece. All in all, the Hallmark of Geneva is only a consequence.

Offline tonykpk

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 840
Re: Heritage & Savoir-Faire Part 4: Roger Dubuis Manufacture
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2012, 06:35:24 AM »
If people don't buy fake nobody will make them, It takes two to tango.Thanks for sharing such in depth n accurate article.regards tony..

Offline engkow

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 260
Re: Heritage & Savoir-Faire Part 4: Roger Dubuis Manufacture
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2012, 12:48:53 PM »
interesting, only 5000 pieces a year much be very, very expensive to own one..

Offline meoramri

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3898
    • My Eastern Watch Collection
Re: Heritage & Savoir-Faire Part 4: Roger Dubuis Manufacture
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2012, 07:20:09 AM »
For these kind of brands, what we are paying for is art, hence the high price range :laugh:
Main watch blog visit: http://easternwatch.blogspot.com

Offline takashi78

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4745
Re: Heritage & Savoir-Faire Part 4: Roger Dubuis Manufacture
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2012, 12:40:37 PM »
Great post as always!

I am a big fan of the brand and the man himself. Great that he is back but sadly as i can see it only in an "ambassador" role.

The pre Richemont days watches had serious QC problems, i was close to pulling trigger when i saw the Easy Diver i was gonna buy (NOS) had a sticky rotor!

Loving the new Pulsion line!

Offline mnazri.tan

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 824
  • Time As It Is
    • Time As It Is.....
Re: Heritage & Savoir-Faire Part 4: Roger Dubuis Manufacture
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2012, 01:31:47 PM »
just thinking out loud....

in term of tool and equipment to build the watch...nothing special about it....we have plenty of those tool in malaysia...a lot of small metal shop have the basic 3 axis CNC....doubt you need 5 axis CNC but even if needed it is not something beyond reach...other equipment are typical metal industry machine/equipment.....design wise, i believe we are not short of talented young designer....i been to a few places run by old Chinese men who know metal work well.....any design, and specify the quality....they can make it as you wish it....

so in essence , we (malaysian) can build better or lower quality watches than Roger Dubuis....depending on what the goals and objective....in my simple engineering mind....nothing interesting with the process or equipment available in the picture...

but we lack investor, culture and heritage....we do not have brand name....Roger Dubuis and other swiss watch make willing to invest because they know they can sell.....for us, even if tomorrow i invest hefty millions on machine to build world class watches and brand it 1Malaysia (hehehehehhe....no la...not 1 malaysia....but some malaysian name la...) i doubt i can even sell it of for RM 500 a piece........

The swiss watch maker is so good because they present themselves that way....and they have build the name for hundred of years....all those story about strict quality process bla bla are way to justify the price tag :) ....

Offline chrisyen

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5959
Re: Heritage & Savoir-Faire Part 4: Roger Dubuis Manufacture
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2012, 07:19:00 PM »
U know any Malaysian can design and make mechanical watch movement?

Offline tonykpk

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 840
Re: Heritage & Savoir-Faire Part 4: Roger Dubuis Manufacture
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2012, 08:57:36 PM »
Better not , in the end the rakyat will have to SUBSIDIES ..just my opinion.
just thinking out loud....

in term of tool and equipment to build the watch...nothing special about it....we have plenty of those tool in malaysia...a lot of small metal shop have the basic 3 axis CNC....doubt you need 5 axis CNC but even if needed it is not something beyond reach...other equipment are typical metal industry machine/equipment.....design wise, i believe we are not short of talented young designer....i been to a few places run by old Chinese men who know metal work well.....any design, and specify the quality....they can make it as you wish it....

so in essence , we (malaysian) can build better or lower quality watches than Roger Dubuis....depending on what the goals and objective....in my simple engineering mind....nothing interesting with the process or equipment available in the picture...

but we lack investor, culture and heritage....we do not have brand name....Roger Dubuis and other swiss watch make willing to invest because they know they can sell.....for us, even if tomorrow i invest hefty millions on machine to build world class watches and brand it 1Malaysia (hehehehehhe....no la...not 1 malaysia....but some malaysian name la...) i doubt i can even sell it of for RM 500 a piece........

The swiss watch maker is so good because they present themselves that way....and they have build the name for hundred of years....all those story about strict quality process bla bla are way to justify the price tag :) ....

« Last Edit: September 08, 2012, 07:39:08 AM by tonykpk »

Offline mnazri.tan

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 824
  • Time As It Is
    • Time As It Is.....
Re: Heritage & Savoir-Faire Part 4: Roger Dubuis Manufacture
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2012, 03:06:29 PM »
hhahaha.....yeah...

Offline mnazri.tan

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 824
  • Time As It Is
    • Time As It Is.....
Re: Heritage & Savoir-Faire Part 4: Roger Dubuis Manufacture
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2012, 03:11:59 PM »
U know any Malaysian can design and make mechanical watch movement?

i think it is highly possible, given there is enough money to start with.....
i am saying this as engineer.....of course we engineers like to say anything mechanical is possible and nothing too difficult...or at least that is how i think

those machine in the pictures, are common tools, readily available (may not be in the same place) but with enough resources, any engineers can work things out...

it is like making a car,  Proton & Bufori.... proton make crappy car according to its goals and resources.....bufori build great quality car according to goals and resources....both in malaysia....both start with technology from outside malaysia....

but if you ask this, i would not be able to answer...is there any good malaysian sales men able to sell watches as good as rolex, at rolex price, made by and in malaysia.....with malaysian made parts...100% malaysian....that need one hell of good marketeers and sales people.....

Offline meoramri

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3898
    • My Eastern Watch Collection
Re: Heritage & Savoir-Faire Part 4: Roger Dubuis Manufacture
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2012, 03:15:48 PM »
U know any Malaysian can design and make mechanical watch movement?

i think it is highly possible, given there is enough money to start with.....
i am saying this as engineer.....of course we engineers like to say anything mechanical is possible and nothing too difficult...or at least that is how i think

those machine in the pictures, are common tools, readily available (may not be in the same place) but with enough resources, any engineers can work things out...

it is like making a car,  Proton & Bufori.... proton make crappy car according to its goals and resources.....bufori build great quality car according to goals and resources....both in malaysia....both start with technology from outside malaysia....

but if you ask this, i would not be able to answer...is there any good malaysian sales men able to sell watches as good as rolex, at rolex price, made by and in malaysia.....with malaysian made parts...100% malaysian....that need one hell of good marketeers and sales people.....

As Justin Bieber sings it "never, say never"
Main watch blog visit: http://easternwatch.blogspot.com

Offline chrisyen

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5959
Re: Heritage & Savoir-Faire Part 4: Roger Dubuis Manufacture
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2012, 09:27:03 PM »
U know any Malaysian can design and make mechanical watch movement?

i think it is highly possible, given there is enough money to start with.....
i am saying this as engineer.....of course we engineers like to say anything mechanical is possible and nothing too difficult...or at least that is how i think

those machine in the pictures, are common tools, readily available (may not be in the same place) but with enough resources, any engineers can work things out...

it is like making a car,  Proton & Bufori.... proton make crappy car according to its goals and resources.....bufori build great quality car according to goals and resources....both in malaysia....both start with technology from outside malaysia....

but if you ask this, i would not be able to answer...is there any good malaysian sales men able to sell watches as good as rolex, at rolex price, made by and in malaysia.....with malaysian made parts...100% malaysian....that need one hell of good marketeers and sales people.....

1. Car is car, watch is watch...
2. Malaysia proton till now still using Mitsubishi engine n some fully copy
   Bufoli use what engine?
   Tool n machine available, but still proton buying lotus to use them to modify n set 4 tuning...
   Proton also hoping mv agusta can produce small engine for car last time when they buy
   Perodua is daihatsu design bulat bulat
3. watch movement is not easy to design n manufacture...
   Formula of hair spring mixture, formula for oil blending... All are company top secret
   Even rolex blue hair spring is not by their invention
   Jus like no one can easily make a hard disc bcoz the needle use special rare earth mixture
4. I believe getting standard movement n design+manufacturer our own watch case, dial, hands, strap n buckle is more realistic, then pay some expert for modification if v want something different
5. They is only few genius even in Swiss that can design / modify movement
    Even iwc paying habling for doppelgraph!
    Ap acquired renaud papi for high tech watch, RM all by rnp as well
    Fortis alarm by Paul gerber...

We don't hv the culture... V r not trained for creative n innovative... Our education system trained us to remember n answer that in exam...



Offline mnazri.tan

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 824
  • Time As It Is
    • Time As It Is.....
Re: Heritage & Savoir-Faire Part 4: Roger Dubuis Manufacture
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2012, 01:27:04 PM »
culture....yes...not in our culture...

but not mission impossible.....

i was in a project that no other malaysian have done it before, no technology, no expertise, and even we started with no knowledge.....but as long as you have strong determination, good resources...u can overcome it....

those great name , people in the swiss watch industry...they are also human...they are great because the choose to

proton suck for that is the objective of the production output.....the production manager produce what the boss asked them to produce base on budget given.....if anything blame the boss.....manufacturing games is always like that....if proton boss decide today they want Proton with Porsche quality, give the production manager enough resources and clear objective....you dont need super skillfull production manager to achieve the target....just someone who follow exact order....you will get it.....Proton is so bad as the boss set the objective that way....Same with bufori....the objective is clear, great hand made car...the Production Manager did it as instructed...no big name in BUfori , just some kepong folk working hard....with Boss who give clear instruction....it is always like la with manufacturing....

my 2 cents base on what i do for living.....

Offline mnazri.tan

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 824
  • Time As It Is
    • Time As It Is.....
Re: Heritage & Savoir-Faire Part 4: Roger Dubuis Manufacture
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2012, 01:41:56 PM »
there is ni magical formula in hair spring , oil , etc....it is all mathematical precision, that can be founded, or replicated or improvised.....but the process will take time and lots and lots of money....

the reality, most of the time the one with good brain has no money, and the one with money dare no to invest....typical story anywhere in this world.....to start something is not easy...but possible if you have enough drive .... i admit, i dont....but i believe i could if i have enough drive / reason to do so....

lots of malaysian engineers , chemist, scientist are quite good.... some great product initiated by malaysian , probarly whilst they working abroad....

well i might be wrong....perhaps i am too optimistic...hahahah.....and i cant prove that I am right ...at least not now....as i dont have enough drive to do so....but someday....maybe...who knows..... maybe boleh masuk astro money drop , menang duit banyak and start something like this.....hahahahha.....

Offline meoramri

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3898
    • My Eastern Watch Collection
Re: Heritage & Savoir-Faire Part 4: Roger Dubuis Manufacture
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2012, 08:40:15 AM »
there is ni magical formula in hair spring , oil , etc....it is all mathematical precision, that can be founded, or replicated or improvised.....but the process will take time and lots and lots of money....

the reality, most of the time the one with good brain has no money, and the one with money dare no to invest....typical story anywhere in this world.....to start something is not easy...but possible if you have enough drive .... i admit, i dont....but i believe i could if i have enough drive / reason to do so....

lots of malaysian engineers , chemist, scientist are quite good.... some great product initiated by malaysian , probarly whilst they working abroad....

well i might be wrong....perhaps i am too optimistic...hahahah.....and i cant prove that I am right ...at least not now....as i dont have enough drive to do so....but someday....maybe...who knows..... maybe boleh masuk astro money drop , menang duit banyak and start something like this.....hahahahha.....

+1 :thumbsup: totally agree with you. My industry is more intellectual property related and with a brain power of just 28 Malaysians, we came out with many stuff that are now not only exported globally but also recognised internationally. In fact, a number of big institutions are currently looking at acquiring us from local shareholders.....

As you rightly say, the key is to allow innovation and experimentation. We faced failures before, time and effort on a project but no return. However, if you diligently allocate a good portion of revenue from existing products for R&D, you will definitely increase your learning curve.

A lot of people forget that failure is also a result - teach us not go down the same path again!
Main watch blog visit: http://easternwatch.blogspot.com

Offline pifpaf

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 68
  • Blogger @ Foudroyante.com
    • www.foudroyante.com/
Re: Heritage & Savoir-Faire Part 4: Roger Dubuis Manufacture
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2012, 08:58:43 PM »
Great post as always!

I am a big fan of the brand and the man himself. Great that he is back but sadly as i can see it only in an "ambassador" role.

The pre Richemont days watches had serious QC problems, i was close to pulling trigger when i saw the Easy Diver i was gonna buy (NOS) had a sticky rotor!

Loving the new Pulsion line!

Today Roger Dubuis is old, I guess that his spirit will be respected by the new management of the brand.

About the rotor:

I think it's paint, it's not a sticker... But it's also a shame on this kind of caliber.  :Scolding:

Every I see people from Roger Dubuis, I speak about this problem, every sharp forumers had seen this weird choice of finishing.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2012, 09:01:23 PM by pifpaf »

Offline pifpaf

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 68
  • Blogger @ Foudroyante.com
    • www.foudroyante.com/
Re: Heritage & Savoir-Faire Part 4: Roger Dubuis Manufacture
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2012, 09:11:38 PM »
just thinking out loud....

in term of tool and equipment to build the watch...nothing special about it....we have plenty of those tool in malaysia...a lot of small metal shop have the basic 3 axis CNC....doubt you need 5 axis CNC but even if needed it is not something beyond reach...other equipment are typical metal industry machine/equipment.....design wise, i believe we are not short of talented young designer....i been to a few places run by old Chinese men who know metal work well.....any design, and specify the quality....they can make it as you wish it....

so in essence , we (malaysian) can build better or lower quality watches than Roger Dubuis....depending on what the goals and objective....in my simple engineering mind....nothing interesting with the process or equipment available in the picture...

but we lack investor, culture and heritage....we do not have brand name....Roger Dubuis and other swiss watch make willing to invest because they know they can sell.....for us, even if tomorrow i invest hefty millions on machine to build world class watches and brand it 1Malaysia (hehehehehhe....no la...not 1 malaysia....but some malaysian name la...) i doubt i can even sell it of for RM 500 a piece........

The swiss watch maker is so good because they present themselves that way....and they have build the name for hundred of years....all those story about strict quality process bla bla are way to justify the price tag :) ....

So why the Asian, African or even American country, (apart the Japan with Gran Seiko and Tudor?), don't arrive to produce such level of finishing?
It seems the very high level of horological quality are reserved to Swiss, Germany, UK, Netherland & Japan...


In fact, it's not a problem of machine, not even a problem of skill (learn take dozen of years, but you can), it's a problem of will.
I have meet few director of Swiss Sub-contractors:
They are totally insane, kind of weirds psychopat of the quality. The tolerances are lower than you can imagine, and to keep the best operators, they pay a lot.
Is that why when you visit Swiss Manufacture, you see so much Porsches and Audi RS(3-4-5-6) on the parking...

The cost of the lasts % of quality is exponential, that why a Lange, a a RW Smith, or a Parmigiani cost so much, only for the % of high end finishing.

Offline pifpaf

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 68
  • Blogger @ Foudroyante.com
    • www.foudroyante.com/
Re: Heritage & Savoir-Faire Part 4: Roger Dubuis Manufacture
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2012, 09:26:17 PM »
there is ni magical formula in hair spring , oil , etc....it is all mathematical precision, that can be founded, or replicated or improvised.....but the process will take time and lots and lots of money....

the reality, most of the time the one with good brain has no money, and the one with money dare no to invest....typical story anywhere in this world.....to start something is not easy...but possible if you have enough drive .... i admit, i dont....but i believe i could if i have enough drive / reason to do so....

lots of malaysian engineers , chemist, scientist are quite good.... some great product initiated by malaysian , probarly whilst they working abroad....

well i might be wrong....perhaps i am too optimistic...hahahah.....and i cant prove that I am right ...at least not now....as i dont have enough drive to do so....but someday....maybe...who knows..... maybe boleh masuk astro money drop , menang duit banyak and start something like this.....hahahahha.....

I'am fully agree with you about the investement, just check my new article on the silicon hairspringhttp://www.watchonista.com/1/watchonista-administrator/silicium

The other part, is the will, the people who want to make a watch manufactory, have to be the opposite of laxist. Laxism if forbidden in the Watchmaking.

---------------

About the engineers: In France (I'am French), we got maybe the best engineers, cause the French engineers are very good in mathematics and sciences, but they are also very good in creativy and invention.

We have made the Rafale, the best combat aicraft of his generation. We have made the Leclerc, the best heavy battlefield Tank. We have made the Citroen C6, one the best Sedan of his generation.
The common point? The total commercial fail.

We have dozen of greatest products, better than German or American (I think that Japanese, are better than everyone, but it's another discussion), but we don't know how to sell it, French car makers have no image, French diplomacy is not respected, French product are supposed not reliable.

------------------------------

In conclusion, when you make your own serious watch manufacture in Malaysia, I take the plane and I come to make a full report on it. I swear it.

Offline pifpaf

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 68
  • Blogger @ Foudroyante.com
    • www.foudroyante.com/
Re: Heritage & Savoir-Faire Part 4: Roger Dubuis Manufacture
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2012, 10:25:17 PM »
If people don't buy fake nobody will make them, It takes two to tango.Thanks for sharing such in depth n accurate article.regards tony..

I'am agree with you, is like the drugs. So the drugs dealer a good guys?  :Cheers: