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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2017, 10:08:00 PM »
Is that a joke?


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Well, I don't think Panerai was dishonest. You just don't need to correct your enthusiastic fanboys....

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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2017, 10:34:24 PM »
Donald...you are really not being fair to me. If people can say these super blurry pictures are evidence of panerai's history, how can you say ancient aliens did not wear panerai? I think the ancient alien pics are in fact sharper..

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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2017, 11:01:41 PM »
And while I really, really like Rolex, they were not the last to use modified facts for their marketing even back in 1927. After Mercedes Gleitze successfully swam across the Channel on her 8th attempt, our good Hans Wilsdorf sponsored her two weeks later on her "Vindication Swim" to prove she really did it. She failed this time but it did not stop him to advertise about the success of the watch in newspapers.


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Technically Rolex was not dishonest in this event. I don't think Rolex modified the facts.

Mercedes did her vindication swim after it was brought to question the legitimacy of her swim after another lady hoax her swim. Rolex learnt of the event and would provide Mercedes with the Rolex wristlet watch in return for a testimonial on how the watch performed.

She did not complete the swim, nor did she wear the wristlet, wearing it around her neck. As reported by the papers at that time "Hanging round her neck by a riband on this swim, Miss Gleitze carried a small gold watch, which was found this evening to have kept good time throughout."

She did give Rolex a testimonial and this was what Rolex advertised in the papers later...

"Rolex introduces for the first time the greatest triumph in Watch-making – ROLEX ‘OYSTER’ – The Wonder Watch That Defies The Elements. MOISTURE PROOF WATER PROOF HEAT PROOF VIBRATION PROOF COLD PROOF DUST PROOF"

"Miss Mercedes Gleitze carried an "Oyster" throughout her recent Channel Swim. More than ten hours of submersion under the most trying conditions failed to harm its perfect timekeeping. No moisture had penetrated and not the slightest corrosion or condensation was revealed in the subsequent examination of the Watch."

Rolex did not advertise that Mercedes completed the swim or that it was worn on her wrist or that is was worn on the earlier swim that took 15 hours to complete.

Ok, you could say that the heat proof, vibration proof, dust proof is a bit of a stretch as it was not proven by the swim.

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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2017, 11:21:41 PM »
I speak but I did not say.

You listen but you did not hear.

I am responsible for what I said or wrote, not what you heard or read.

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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2017, 06:34:57 AM »
There has been published articles on Panarai's history. Google will help find them for you.

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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2017, 06:38:31 AM »
There has been published articles on Panarai's history. Google will help find them for you.

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Thanks for the tip I would never have thought about that by myself...


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« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2017, 06:39:39 AM »
Glad to be of help.

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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2017, 06:40:19 AM »
That was sarcastic!


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Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2017, 06:41:14 AM »
I read somewhere originally they are equipment suppliers to Italian navy , subsequently when the navy requested them to supply  time keeping wrist watch , they have to OEM or outsourced since they do not have expertise .. probably they just supply a few hundred n that's it .. until many years later some celebrity bought one and people started to notice it , and a Big  watch conglomerate bought the company n revive it with clever marketing and create a cult followings. Of course that was history !

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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2017, 06:42:16 AM »
I read somewhere originally they are equipment suppliers to Italian navy , subsequently when the navy requested them to supply  time keeping wrist watch , they have to OEM or outsourced since they do not have expertise .. probably they just supply a few hundred n that's it .. until many years later some celebrity bought one n big watch conglomerate bought the company n revive it


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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2017, 06:43:28 AM »
That was sarcastic!


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So was I
But I was actually aiding your defence that Panarai's history was twisted by marketing to boost sales with the false impression of what their claims.

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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2017, 07:22:45 AM »
no brand is 100% honest

each will have their dark little secrets hiding somewhere...

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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2017, 07:23:11 AM »
Based on Panerai history on its website, I don't see anything that is twisted. Its a simple timeline showing what the company did.

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« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2017, 07:24:00 AM »
Based on Panerai history on its website, I don't see anything that is twisted. Its a simple timeline showing what the company did.
You're getting your facts from their website?

Er........

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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2017, 07:36:04 AM »
Based on Panerai history on its website, I don't see anything that is twisted. Its a simple timeline showing what the company did.
You're getting your facts from their website?

Er........

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Ok... since you imply that their website cannot be trusted.. where should I then refer? Perhaps you can point out what is posted on the Panerai website is not true?

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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #40 on: August 24, 2017, 07:54:01 AM »
Based on Panerai history on its website, I don't see anything that is twisted. Its a simple timeline showing what the company did.
You're getting your facts from their website?

Er........

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Ok... since you imply that their website cannot be trusted.. where should I then refer? Perhaps you can point out what is posted on the Panerai website is not true?
It's open knowledge that that ever a company places in its website has been conjured up by their marketing & branding departments. If you feel that such info is accurate and wishes to trust what they claim is to be fact. Please proceed.

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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2017, 07:56:38 AM »
Based on Panerai history on its website, I don't see anything that is twisted. Its a simple timeline showing what the company did.
You're getting your facts from their website?

Er........

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Ok... since you imply that their website cannot be trusted.. where should I then refer? Perhaps you can point out what is posted on the Panerai website is not true?
It's open knowledge that that ever a company places in its website has been conjured up by their marketing & branding departments. If you feel that such info is accurate and wishes to trust what they claim is to be fact. Please proceed.

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Hence by your logic, I cannot trust any website?

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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2017, 08:09:56 AM »
Am waiting for a proper dishonest advertising example that I can learn from...

Not marketing or hype but actual blatant fake claims (this is dishonesty, no?)

like claiming watch is worn during an occasion/event but in actual fact, it was studio shot or pose...
or claiming watch got this and that technical specs but turns out to be untrue.
`Learning to appreciate my watch as a tool, and not some fancy branded jewelry'

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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2017, 08:23:20 AM »
innocent until proven guilty

guilty until proven innocent

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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2017, 09:14:46 AM »
Am waiting for a proper dishonest advertising example that I can learn from...

Not marketing or hype but actual blatant fake claims (this is dishonesty, no?)

like claiming watch is worn during an occasion/event but in actual fact, it was studio shot or pose...
or claiming watch got this and that technical specs but turns out to be untrue.

Marketing trick is dishonesty, fake claim is lie.


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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2017, 09:26:57 AM »
Am waiting for a proper dishonest advertising example that I can learn from...

Not marketing or hype but actual blatant fake claims (this is dishonesty, no?)

like claiming watch is worn during an occasion/event but in actual fact, it was studio shot or pose...
or claiming watch got this and that technical specs but turns out to be untrue.
How about McDonald's, they claim to be healthy. There have been articles too that have documented and tested their claims, which opposes McDonald's egregious claims.

So as a consumer, you have the choice to decide if you rather believe marketing/ advertising hype which is heavily bias  to themselves or more objective observations which are based on historical literature.



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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #46 on: August 24, 2017, 09:27:48 AM »
Well... marketing 101 is actually putting things in such a way that it blurs the line between reality and fantasy...
We all see it in all kinds of ads...
As for watches, i think best is to do you own due diligence and buy what you actually enjoy wearing.
As for stories... make your own stories when wearing the watch...
Terrenceterrence "seriously, i think buying a watch for it's secondhand value is like getting married and thinking about divorce at the back of your mind."


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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #47 on: August 24, 2017, 09:29:17 AM »
Well... marketing 101 is actually putting things in such a way that it blurs the line between reality and fantasy...
We all see it in all kinds of ads...
As for watches, i think best is to do you own due diligence and buy what you actually enjoy wearing.
As for stories... make your own stories when wearing the watch...



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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #48 on: August 24, 2017, 09:32:12 AM »
Am waiting for a proper dishonest advertising example that I can learn from...

Not marketing or hype but actual blatant fake claims (this is dishonesty, no?)

like claiming watch is worn during an occasion/event but in actual fact, it was studio shot or pose...
or claiming watch got this and that technical specs but turns out to be untrue.
How about McDonald's, they claim to be healthy. There have been articles too that have documented and tested their claims, which opposes McDonald's egregious claims.

So as a consumer, you have the choice to decide if you rather believe marketing/ advertising hype which is heavily bias  to themselves or more objective observations which are based on historical literature.



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I do not disagree with you on this. Yes there are reports out there that shows that McD may not be 100% truthful. But back to Panerai... Can you then link articles that shows Panerai is not truthful with its history? I am sure you have your basis for doubting Panerai version of its history. Perhaps you can share?

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Re: Which brands are really honest about their past?
« Reply #49 on: August 24, 2017, 09:34:38 AM »
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