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Offline Afham07

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why no quartz?
« on: August 08, 2017, 10:51:42 PM »
i have been wondering why to some people, they straight reject quartz watches? to me, quartz offers pretty good convenience without have to change time if leave for a week or 2 in safebox.

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Re: why no quartz?
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2017, 06:21:22 AM »
The people I know prefer mechanical , cos to them the ticking or heartbeat is the soul of a watch .. which they are connected to.. eg Sony AiBo vs a real dog (maybe there are other better explaination)


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Re: why no quartz?
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2017, 07:26:43 AM »
It could be an appreciation to the design of craft works. Part of the fun to me, is knowing the watch being powered by a series of complicated springs, levers, and gears instead of a battery.

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Re: why no quartz?
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2017, 08:14:14 AM »
Mechanical watches last thru few generations. Quartz you'll be lucky if it survives one generation.

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Re: why no quartz?
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2017, 08:48:34 AM »
Mechanical watches last thru few generations. Quartz you'll be lucky if it survives one generation.

that all depends what ur talking about.
lasting few generations, while not being able to keep time properly, and just being an over-glorified bracelet is something else.
in the end a watch is a watch and its primary function is to keep relatively accurate time.

quartz is still relatively young, but plenty of examples have survived from the 70s.
grand seiko quartz also have a service interval of 50yrs...u'll probably die before u get to service it...let alone get to the 2nd service interval.
not forgetting all the quartz from the big boys that are still surviving now...like the sought after oysterquartz.

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Re: why no quartz?
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2017, 09:22:40 AM »
I have 4 quartz watches, I see no problem, convenient and relatively cheap to maintain. If you like watches, then whether quartz, mechanical or hybrid is irrelevant!

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Re: why no quartz?
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2017, 11:15:27 AM »
Maybe some of the people mindset

mechanical watch - higher class and standard

quartz watch - cheaper feeling

Just my opinion... :)

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Re: why no quartz?
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2017, 01:45:05 PM »
For me, quartz movement is also a pinnacle in horology. It is not only the battery and motor to make a quartz watch ticking. Plus quartz watch is easy to maintain . No need to set a date regularly



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Re: why no quartz?
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2017, 02:25:40 PM »
Mechanical watches last thru few generations. Quartz you'll be lucky if it survives one generation.

that all depends what ur talking about.
lasting few generations, while not being able to keep time properly, and just being an over-glorified bracelet is something else.
in the end a watch is a watch and its primary function is to keep relatively accurate time.

quartz is still relatively young, but plenty of examples have survived from the 70s.
grand seiko quartz also have a service interval of 50yrs...u'll probably die before u get to service it...let alone get to the 2nd service interval.
not forgetting all the quartz from the big boys that are still surviving now...like the sought after oysterquartz.

In the 80s, quartz nearly ended Swiss watch industry. Now the Swiss is back in the forefront with their mechanical marvels. How did they do it?

The Swiss realised that watch ownership can be effectively demarcate to two distinct category  - (1)Luxury/jewelry & (2)practical/tool. The Swiss knew where they best fit in so the best defense for their industry is to bringing back the romance of anything mechanical as the pinnacle of style and sophistication. This make make (1) a big brother to (2) instead of equal segments. 

For hundred of years, European watchmakers strive to create accurate timepieces to fulfill the need for commerce. In reality, it was the European that made the first quartz movement when in 1966 they made a breakthrough in the technology. Unfortunately, they couldn't control the technology from going global. Nearly all the branded watches dabbled in the technology back then. (see the timeline below. The reference can be found here: https://doensen.home.xs4all.nl/index.html)

IMHO, if Europe was still at the forefront of quartz technology instead of the Japanese today, we would see a very different landscape for horology and how the general public views quartz watches.
 


1966 -- 1st prototype quartz pocket watch watch (called Beta-1) developed by Centre Electronique Horloger (CEH) which was a Swiss conglomerate (eventually growing to 20-21 companies).

1967 -- 1st Japanese prototype quartz watch was developed by Seiko.

1967 -- The CEH prototype Bèta-2 is tested. On the 14th of February, the 'Observatoire de Neuchâtel' announces the results of the 102nd 'Concours Chronométrique International de l'Observatoire de Neuchâtel'. This was the first time quartz wrist watches were tested. The Bèta-2 of CEH set a new precision record (a time deviation of just 0.003 seconds a day). Seiko awarded the runner-up prize for its SQ, that showed a mere deviation in time of 0.004 seconds a day.

1969 -- On the 22nd of May 1969, twenty Swiss firms establish a community of interest for the industrial production of the Bèta-21 caliber and decide to manufacture the first series of 6,000 movements. These firms and the name of their watches with the Bèta 21 caliber were:

Omega -- Electroquartz f 8192, caliber 1300
Bulova -- Accuquartz
IWC -- Da Vinci or International (in 1971 caliber 2001; 600 pieces -- in 1974 caliber 2002; 9,600 pieces)
Longines -- Quartz Chron
Patek Philippe -- Cercle d'Or
Enicar -- Quartz-O-D
Rado -- Quartz 8192
Rolex -- Caliber 5100

Favre-Leuba, Zodiac, Eberhard, Ebel, Juvenia, Doxa, Cyma and Borel marketed the Modul-O-Quartz. The other partners were: Fabriques des Balanciers Réunies, Le Coultre & Cie, Complications S.A., Fabrique d'Assortiments Réunis S.A., Ebauches S.A., Elgin S.A., Movado, Zenith S.A., Fabrique de Spiraux Réunis, Montres Credos S.A. and the Federation Horlogère Suisse. The pioneer work of the CEH is very expensive, therefore some firms start to develop a quartz watch of their own: Omega, Longines, Girard Perregaux and Bulova. In April, the construction of the production line starts and in September of the same year the production line is tested. Shortly thereafter the first ten models of the Bèta 21 are produced. The results are very satisfactory.

1969, Christmas Day -- 1st commercially available quartz watch (Limited Edition of 100) . . . Seiko 35 SQ Astra (caliber 3500) . . . Reliability issues are disputed, but there are claims of a recall.


At the end of 1969 and the beginning of 1970 a few hundred calibers Bèta 21 have been manufactured industrially. The result was that 18 Swiss watch firms showed a complete watch with the Bèta 21 caliber at the Basle Fair of April 10th 1970, followed by another display of these watches at the fair in Osaka Japan on April 23rd 1970. LINK

Omega Electroquartz f8192



1970 -- Seiko released the caliber 3502. 1800 units were produced. It contained a battery of Union Carbide Corp. USA no. 303. The quartz crystal has the shape of a tuning fork. The integrated circuit of the 3502 was manufactured by Intersil USA.


1970 -- Between 1970 and 1972 a total number of 6,000 pieces of the first model of the Bèta 21 were produced . This watch was assembled by Ebauches Electronique S.A. in Marin, Switzerland.

1970 -- Seiko 36 series, caliber 3600 and 3602 A. Only produced in 1970. The sale of the watch started in October 1970. The production quantity was 1,000 pieces. The frequency of the bar shaped quartz was 16,384. The pulses for the motor are bipolar. The rotor moves one step to the right and then one step to the left and so forth, just like the old galvanometers when they measure a slow alternating current. The watch has a steel case and strap and is powered by two batteries.

1971/1972 -- Seiko 38 SQW -- Caliber 3823A V.F.A. went on sale in the autumn of 1971 and caliber 3802 in June 1972. Frequency 16,384 Hz. These were the first quartz watches by Seiko which were produced in large quantities. Ten different calibers can be found in these series, 3800, 3802, 3803, 3820, 3823, 3862, 3863, 3870, 3883 G.F.A. and the Dual Zone Timer 3819 with a sub-hour hand for time indication in a different part of the world. The Quartz V.F.A. and G.F.A. series were extremely accurate and had a monthly rate of respectively 15 and 2 seconds.

1972 -- Between 1972 and 1974 about 50,000 pieces of the second model of the Bèta 21 (= Omega 1301 and 1302) were produced. This model is also known as Bèta 22.

1972 -- Seiko 03 SQ -- The world's first ladies' quartz watch, released in the autumn of 1972. Seiko launched the first ladies' quartz watch in the world. The production stopped in 1973 after only ninety pieces had been produced. Two ladies' models were released one in gold and the other in white gold. A man's model was released with the same movement.

Seiko 39, V.F.A.(Very Fine Adjustment) series with second flash.

Cal. 3922 released in November 1972.
Cal. 3923 with day and date, released in January 1974.
This watch has a pulsating power indicator light (LED).

Seiko 41 series.

Cal. 4110A and 4110B (1974), cal. 4130A (September 1974), cal. 4120 (June 1975), cal. 4122 (September 1976).

Seiko 43 series.

Cal. 4301 (October 1975), cal. 4303 (May 1976), cal. 4312 (February 1977) and cal. 4316 (May 1977). The first ones are ladies' watches and the last two men's.

Seiko 08 series

September 1974. Cal. 0822, 0823, 0841, 0842, 0843, 0852, 0853.

Seiko 09 series

1975. Cal. 0903, 0920, 0922, 0923.

Seiko 48 series

1975. Cal. 4821, 4822, 4823, 4840, 4842, 4843, 4803.

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Re: why no quartz?
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2017, 04:14:51 PM »
Why not?

I'm ok with Quartz

My omega seamaster always get me the right timing other than my auto watch

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Re: why no quartz?
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2017, 05:42:21 PM »
Check out the new entry piece by brietling in quartz !  Good price n high precision quartz


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Re: why no quartz?
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2017, 08:31:00 PM »
Not all quartz are born equal. While they are quartz watches I would never buy, some brands (Grand Seiko, Breitling...) have pushed the technology and reliability a step further. The Seiko caliber 9F for example is thermocompensated and remove this undesirable wobble from the second hand and align it precisely with the markers. How cool is that?


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Re: why no quartz?
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2017, 10:34:58 PM »
Yeah, I wouldn't dismiss quartz myself. Up to a certain age, all I owned were quartz watches and I've always admired how they can keep time so accurately even after being in storage for so long. I still treasure my Tissot chrono, and use it occasionally even though I have a Swiss mechanical watch now. Will definitely do some research into getting a high-end quartz watch in the future.

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Re: why no quartz?
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2017, 07:07:49 AM »
Mechanical = combustion engine

Quartz = Hybrid or Electric Motor

it will get there soon...

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Re: why no quartz?
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2017, 07:27:23 PM »
Mechanical = combustion engine

Quartz = Hybrid or Electric Motor

it will get there soon...
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Re: why no quartz?
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2017, 08:46:21 AM »
I have an appreciation for quartz watches. My X-33 Skywalker and Oysterquartz is superb... Wether or not it will last more than a generation, chk back this thread in 30 years time or so... Hahahahaha
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Re: why no quartz?
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2017, 08:52:02 AM »
it won't

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Re: why no quartz?
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2017, 09:24:24 AM »
Omega X33 gen 1 coming to 17 years and still running strong. Breathing Aerospace F65362 also coming to 17 years and running strong. Casio G-shock DW-5600C coming to 30 years still running strong... ok.. a few seized screws and replacement resin bezel and straps, but the module runs just fine.

Quartz watches are pretty handy when you just want to get up and go and don't have to adjust the time and date of your watch. :)

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Re: why no quartz?
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2017, 09:24:52 AM »
it won't

Really? The Oysterquartz is actually from the 80s... meaning it has gone thru 30+ years of solid service....
Oh wait... are you saying it won't because you see that I am gonna offload it in time? hahahahaha
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Re: why no quartz?
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2017, 09:26:35 AM »
Omega X33 gen 1 coming to 17 years and still running strong. Breathing Aerospace F65362 also coming to 17 years and running strong. Casio G-shock DW-5600C coming to 30 years still running strong... ok.. a few seized screws and replacement resin bezel and straps, but the module runs just fine.

Quartz watches are pretty handy when you just want to get up and go and don't have to adjust the time and date of your watch. :)
I agree with you (this time ), good quality Quartz watch can last a very long time.


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Re: why no quartz?
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2017, 09:27:52 AM »
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