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Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« on: November 08, 2010, 01:35:30 PM »
Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five



When I was VIRGIN in watch-collecting. I did not know much thing around apart from the constant advert bombardment from Oris (as I can remember).
My bug for watches started when I first got my G-shock riseman and thanks for the internet, from there I started to explore to other brand like Breitling (thanks to John Travolta). To cut story short, I got myself a fortis flieger chrono thanks to one of the ad as my first “proper swiss” watch.

I recently saw a used SM 1045 on display at one of the 2nd hand/used watch shop near my home. After researching on the net. I find out that calibre 1045=lemania 5100. What is so special about 5100 is that the chrno min counter is on the main dial instead of the usual 30min sub-dial as shown in picture below.

Omega 1045 picture





from http://www.lesmala.net/jean-michel/lemania/index3.htm

As u can see, it is more legible compared to the small 30min sub-dial. Not to mention that it is very robust movement as proven by the usage by the Bundeswehr .
Why the heck I am buying this watch while I can get other NEW at good price???

To make it short, all of this is based ON MY OWN OPINION (feel free to flame me)

-Omega is the FIRST manufacturer to get hold of 5100 (1045 in omega speak) before others like Tutima, Porsche design, Sinn.

-Omega has a service department specially catered to restore vintage watches & good network. As in I can drop my watch to one of the boutique in Starhill and it will be send to Bienne (and can blame them if anything skru up) with no worries. Unlike some where u got to post the watch by you and hope it will reach to safe hands in few weeks.

-I believe the folks at Bienne know what the hell they are doing with old watches. Unlike certain ppl who tend to screw up the repair process. The dealer told me the previous owner had service the watch but in actual fact it doesn’t (see the quote by Bienne below).

-Omega has spare parts in stock. Since the movement discontinue few years ago. I believed omega will keep stock for this movement which will last for many years to come.

Back to the watch itself

The condition of the watch is really bad as the picture shows it… I wonder how the previous owner actually treats it. I guess the owner doesn’t give a damn on the watch & only care about the “Omega” logo and wording for status purpose. He shall be burn in the WIS hell. The accuracy is horrible as it gains about 40-50 sec per days.











Since the watch is pretty beaten/f**ked up/basterdised, I guess the best way is to send to be restored by Omega Bienne as I believe the uncle, aunties and youngster will have the know-how to repair & restore the watch. I also worried that for the amount of money I spent the watch will be considered as fake.


FEW MONTHS LATER

I actually got to give em the call to the office to ask the status. They actually forgotten to call me to inform the quote have arrived in the service center. So the

condition of the watch from Bienne is as follows:
Quote
1.   Your watch needs a full maintenance service
2.   The movement shows signs of dampness having penetrated it
3.   The luminous material has grown pale
4.   The dial is stained
5.   The dial could remain in its current condition
6.   The case has corroded, therefore, water resistance cannot be guaranteed
7.   The case is scratched
8.   The case back has been damaged through the use of an inappropriate key
9.   The bezel is scratched
10.   The crystal is chipped
11.   The bracelet shows sign of wear
12.   The bracelet could remain in its current condition

As listed here, I decide to go ahead with the restoration with reminder that they don’t change dial of the watch. So gotta wait again for it to return…..

ANOTHER FEW MONTH LATER (sigh)

I keep the progress of the watch by contacting with one of the folks at Swatch Group Malaysia tru email. I am happy that it is ready to be collected at (blanked) date. So go there and collect it

FINALLY AFTER A LONG LONG LONG TIME IT IS BACK MAN!!!!!














As you can see, I replaced the hands of the watch into new one as the old one look really worn up and it is ugly in my opinion. The aesthetics’ of the watch is really awesome, I really like the way they polish the watch. Even the used dealer shop was surprised as it looks way to new.



The watch originally came with bracelet but since my wrist is too small even for the last hole in the bracelet so I gotta wear strap & cheapo butterfly claps at Red army (an ad specialise in selling Russian and german watches)  at pavilion.

The watch accuracy is not great; it is gaining about 8 sec per day when it is fully winded. Plan to leave it as it for now and observe how it goes. If it not settled then I will bring it to regulate.

CONCLUSION

It is currently my fav wear because it wear small on me compared to fortis chrno fliger. It also able to fit onto my long sleeve office shirt with no problem. Not to mention easier readability of the chronograph hands due to the design of the movement BUT it is not that legible compared to other brand with the same movement such as Porsche design or Sinn EZM1 or Fortis cosmonaut with 5100 movement.

Its total cost (including service) may be able to get a new watch but in my opinion I find it worthwhile especially for the vintage-ness of the watch where no other watch can come close.

I WANNA BUY THE WATCH, WHERE CAN I GET IT??????

If you are lucky, you may get hold of old stock of 5100 equipped as in form of Tutima & Fortis in AD’s if you really serach around. If cant, you may try search in Gay-Bay. If you got a stack load of cash to spare, you may get the Breguet  type XXI. Which I believe it shares the heritage as 5100 as Novelle Lemania is absorbed by Breguet and claim that the the chrono movement is made in house.



I am not paid by Swatch Group or Omega or Breguet to write this review. :P

WHAT NEXT?

I hope to get hold of the Omega Flightmaster Gen 1 as pic below shows. Hopefully once get it will be able to talk about getting other make’s watches.



Hope all of you enjoy reading it.

Good links
http://www.lesmala.net/jean-michel/lemania/index3.htm
http://chronomaddox.com/c1045_in_detail.html
http://www.chronomaddox.com/nouvelle_lemania_5100.html
« Last Edit: November 08, 2010, 01:45:47 PM by gigiplastic »

Offline David_cheong

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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2010, 01:53:56 PM »
Abel

Very good write up. All originals. Treat as one of your project works, eh?.

I can see that you paid good $$ for the restoration and its worth it...as far as you are concerned..

Many people would not have gave that kind of attention to an old watch, but you did. Brovo.

To justify, getting another watch of the same calibre as yours takes some hunting and a fair value of $$ to purchase same.

I can see that this pc is your currently all time favorite collections and maybe wise to focus your collections into omega mania......

And I thought, an Aik King was to be your first serious watch...no?

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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2010, 02:00:13 PM »
Abel

Very good write up. All originals. Treat as one of your project works, eh?.

I can see that you paid good $$ for the restoration and its worth it...as far as you are concerned..

Many people would not have gave that kind of attention to an old watch, but you did. Brovo.

To justify, getting another watch of the same calibre as yours takes some hunting and a fair value of $$ to purchase same.

I can see that this pc is your currently all time favorite collections and maybe wise to focus your collections into omega mania......

And I thought, an Aik King was to be your first serious watch...no?

dc

David,

Glad you like it very much.

I just find that the flightmaster is really unik watches that cannot be found on other watches today.

Most manufacturer today just slap a bezel, chronograph movement and slide rule and call it a "pilot" watch. Not to mention charging a high price for it.

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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2010, 02:15:07 PM »
Very good write up/ review Abel.  :thumbsup:

I can say the restoration is great after got hold of your watch. I wouldn't change the hands though, as to match the tritium dial. But anyhow, glad they retain and gave back the hands to you.

I am sure you will treasure this baby for long  :Cheers:

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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2010, 02:25:32 PM »
Very good write up/ review Abel.  :thumbsup:

I can say the restoration is great after got hold of your watch. I wouldn't change the hands though, as to match the tritium dial. But anyhow, glad they retain and gave back the hands to you.

I am sure you will treasure this baby for long  :Cheers:

Thanks CK.

I got the old hands with me.... Will consider about putting it back wen the warrenty is over.

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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2010, 04:15:21 PM »
Hi Abel,
Great write up. Well done. I especially like the pictures comparing the watch before and after the restoration.
Looks like Omega did a top notch job but they certainly took their own sweet time doing it and gave you the privilege of paying a premium for the job.
However what's matters most is that you feel it is money well spent.  :thumbsup:

 :Cheers:


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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2010, 04:59:37 PM »
Finally see your write and you did a good job!
Omega usually returns what was changed during the service, did they do it this time?

Mind to scan your invoice back frm Omega just to show what they did in detail?

I think for a non chronometer watch that accuracy is fine for such a vintage piece.

Did Omega also give detail on the watch regarding when it was manufactured and where it was originally sold to?

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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2010, 05:08:27 PM »
The Lemania 5100 and the Breguet 584Q (in the Type XXI) only share 2 things in common, the central minute hand and both made by Lemania. The Breguet 584Q is derived from the Lemania 582Q (Lemania 1372) which is derived from the Lemania 582. The Lemania 582 is derived from the Lemania 1370 (Ebel 137/ UN U-32) which is based on the Omega 1040 (Lemania 1340/1350) which in turn is based on the Omega 861 which powers the Speedmaster. The Lemania used on the Type XXI is exclusive to Breguet.

The Lemania 5100 can be found on the following brands: Omega, Tutima, Sinn, Fortis, Kobold, Bell&Ross, Revue Thommen, Lemania, Heuer, Arctos, Orfina Porsche Design, Alain Siberstein, Paul Picot and Tissot.

BTW, nice restoration done on the watch. Good to see it being restored.

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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2010, 05:19:47 PM »
The Lemania 5100 and the Breguet 584Q (in the Type XXI) only share 2 things in common, the central minute hand and both made by Lemania. The Breguet 584Q is derived from the Lemania 582Q (Lemania 1372) which is derived from the Lemania 582. The Lemania 582 is derived from the Lemania 1370 (Ebel 137/ UN U-32) which is based on the Omega 1040 (Lemania 1340/1350) which in turn is based on the Omega 861 which powers the Speedmaster. The Lemania used on the Type XXI is exclusive to Breguet.

Great info  :thumbsup:

The Lemania 5100 can be found on the following brands: Omega, Tutima, Sinn, Fortis, Kobold, Bell&Ross, Revue Thommen, Lemania, Heuer, Arctos, Orfina Porsche Design, Alain Siberstein, Paul Picot and Tissot.

Not to mention (Tag) Heuer as well.

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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2010, 05:46:27 PM »
Peter, actually they do have the service to provide the paper but in malaysia I gotta request for it & i did not as i assume it will be automatically given. Also there is not service invoice. They just give me teh resit of payment.

Yup I got tell them to return the spare parts and i got a small bag full of used parts inside.
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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2010, 06:08:33 PM »
The Lemania 5100 and the Breguet 584Q (in the Type XXI) only share 2 things in common, the central minute hand and both made by Lemania. The Breguet 584Q is derived from the Lemania 582Q (Lemania 1372) which is derived from the Lemania 582. The Lemania 582 is derived from the Lemania 1370 (Ebel 137/ UN U-32) which is based on the Omega 1040 (Lemania 1340/1350) which in turn is based on the Omega 861 which powers the Speedmaster. The Lemania used on the Type XXI is exclusive to Breguet.

Great info  :thumbsup:

The Lemania 5100 can be found on the following brands: Omega, Tutima, Sinn, Fortis, Kobold, Bell&Ross, Revue Thommen, Lemania, Heuer, Arctos, Orfina Porsche Design, Alain Siberstein, Paul Picot and Tissot.

Not to mention (Tag) Heuer as well.

Well, forgot Cyma and Jean Marcel's Ikarus (I think).

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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2010, 05:19:21 AM »
gigiplastic,

You've got one hell of a gem there. It's always a nice feeling when you're able to restore a piece like that. I'm sure it's gonna be one of your permanent collectibles.

If you don't mind, could you please PM me the price of the watch and the restoration costs?

Thanks. :thumbsup:
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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2010, 05:36:54 AM »
I can c u enjoy ur journey to own such a great piece of watch...
Yes, collecting mean the process... Just like human life... We all should enjoy the process in our live instead of outcome...

Great write up :thumbsup:

wish u gd luck in hunting the flightmaster
btw, most flightmaster out there for sale are make it up of original n fake parts... Especially the pusher n crowns...
 So be careful

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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2010, 06:38:30 AM »
This is what I call a true labor of love. Congrats,it looks great after the restoration.

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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2010, 06:47:37 AM »
looks great bro!!!!!

wonderful piece of history you have there. so did they let you keep the original hands?

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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2010, 06:59:08 AM »
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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2010, 09:46:51 AM »
wow!

You definitely gone to great length, time + $ for the restoration of this very nice piece...

and great write up (before and after)

cheers

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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2010, 02:24:39 PM »
Thanks the praise. Ya they got give back the hands.

To be honest, the price i paid for both the watch and restoration process i believe is fair. If look around, same watch can cost the same as what i paid for but not including the resotration process.

Chris, care to explain more about the rojak flightmaster?

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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2010, 03:13:51 PM »
Chris, care to explain more about the rojak flightmaster?

Meaning is franken, not all parts are original. They might used parts from other watch to assemble a complete watch.

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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2010, 05:49:31 AM »
Chris, care to explain more about the rojak flightmaster?

Meaning is franken, not all parts are original. They might used parts from other watch to assemble a complete watch.

yeap. original crown n pushers are fugile, with colors painted that easy to fake off....
so alot of after market stuff and from other watch parts.......

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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2010, 06:48:05 AM »
ahh i see.

I guess it going to take awhile before i was able to get hold of it due to other commitment  :Laughing_on_floor:

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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2010, 08:07:04 AM »
ahh i see.

I guess it going to take awhile before i was able to get hold of it due to other commitment  :Laughing_on_floor:

There is a shop in USJ selling one... it's in very good condition but not sure the shop owner willing to sell or not ;D

yeah, you better study well and scores all "A" before venture into watches... you have plenty of time to collect all those la.. no worry  :thumbsup:

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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2010, 08:12:21 AM »
I guess that the same shop where the owner is too obliged to show us the same calibre but different model.

Right Abel?...

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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2010, 01:26:21 PM »
I guess that the same shop where the owner is too obliged to show us the same calibre but different model.

Right Abel?...

dc

Yup i think so. The one he had is not really the model i wanted. The one i wanted is like the below showed



Not to say get A anot. I am worried that the price of these vintage will shoot up by the time I am ready to buy it. Some of these cost as teh same as a new watch which in my opinion is not worth it  :o

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Re: Oh-meh-gah Sspit-master One-oh-four-five
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2010, 07:13:30 AM »
Hi,

The casing looks great and so is the watch. Did they replace or polish the case?