Author Topic: A report on the current state of fake watch industry in China (Read 9616 times)

chiewata · « **on:** July 20, 2015, 03:41:02 PM »

Guys I stumbled upon this webpage who give and in depth report on the current state of fake watch industry in China it detailed out the entire process from casing all the way to movement, its quite shocking actually, but unfortunately this article is in chinese so you guys might need the help of google translator, however there's tonnes of images to see too.

http://wechat.fingerdaily.com/thread-40896-1-1.html

Narco · « **Reply #1 on:** July 20, 2015, 03:54:01 PM »

Whoaaa!!

kenji1903 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 20, 2015, 04:00:45 PM »

no idea what's google translate trying to translate but based on the pictures... just 1 word, "WOW"

Yoda · « **Reply #3 on:** July 20, 2015, 05:15:44 PM »

I open through the Mozilla it translated.

Interesting. Would have suspected long ago.

The mainland Chinese can produced anything for the $$$

They are digging themselves a big grave sooner.

God bless them

rnsm1979 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 20, 2015, 05:44:40 PM »

speechless !!!

dennis.T · « **Reply #5 on:** July 20, 2015, 05:51:36 PM »

U can produce any watch you want :p

chiewata · « **Reply #6 on:** July 20, 2015, 06:34:50 PM »

For those who still can't make some sense from Google Translator here's a brief summary:

In a nut shell this article pointed out that these fakes are not produced by cottage industries instead its "legally" produced by many large OEM factories that have the technology to produced high quality parts of almost all the major brands in the market.

They are legal because all the parts produced does not have any brand or logo attached not until all the components reached the "coordinator" where it will be assembled, fitted with modified Seagulls movements then engraved with the brand logo and dial will be printed. As you can see the whole process up till only the final part is "illegal".

Some notable advancement of the fakes include the capabilities to reproduced the Cotes de Geneve which up till few years ago used to determine the authenticity of some watches.

This article also claimed that even the intricately engraved PAM604 also being reproduced successfully.

chiewata · « **Reply #7 on:** July 20, 2015, 06:37:25 PM »

BTW the Pelagos and BB is gorgeous, I don't mind it fitted with Seagull's movement actually

Spider boy · « **Reply #8 on:** July 21, 2015, 07:07:49 AM »

My gosh , China is incredible.. they are really capable of everything..for the worst or best possible thing. I am really curious and would love to see and feel the product in person . Wonder how it compares to the real ones. If it is really like what it claimed, then it's going to ruin the whole watch industry and it will never be the same again.

meoramri · « **Reply #9 on:** July 21, 2015, 08:37:36 AM »

Here's the link to the translated page https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwechat.fingerdaily.com%2Fthread-40896-1-1.html

IP law is very misleading. International convention states that an IP right only exist if registered in the locality. i.e. if you register your IP in US or Europe, you are the beneficial owner in those two location but not in the rest of the world.

Trying to register IP is a very long and financially painful process. Moreover, IP registration requires detail drawings and this can be easily obtained by anyone from the respective patent office. Once translated into computers and hooked up to computer added manufacturing facilities - the rest is history....

chrisyen · « **Reply #10 on:** July 21, 2015, 08:58:28 AM »

the investor is so brave...

basically he buy genuine brand new watch
dissemble it

re produce n draw part by part...
get dial factory to do dial
bracelet factory to do bracelet
case factory to do case - ceramic, titanium, bronze...
hands factory to do hands
bezel factory company to do bezel insert
etc, but all done without logo, hence no IP issue

all these factories are belongs to big big firm, so as long as u ask them to do without logo and brand name, they can go through their audit
after all that, investor get small factory to do those laser printing of brand, making logo...

movement are china made... eg - seagull is cloning most eta... hence u see them alot!
those entry level swiss brand fitted with unfinish movement / less finish movement.... the Grade AAA replica will be hard to differentiate the different, u might need to check the laser print and logo which mostly done by smaller factory
dare to buy tissot in china?

for higher end movement, for super high grade - they even modify the movement bridges and replicate the nice rotor as well... look at the AP 3120 rotor?
with latest machinery, the cotes de geneva once the checker on finishing.... now they able to do as fine as swiss!

scary? yes...

chiewata · « **Reply #11 on:** July 21, 2015, 10:13:43 AM »

Scary is a subtle statement, it sent some chill thru my spine man

Spider boy · « **Reply #12 on:** July 21, 2015, 12:51:02 PM »

I have yet to see an AAA standard watch . I would love to see one in real, at least i want to know how well they are made and if i could actually spot the differences. Most importantly as long as the market does not sell the replicas as genuine ones than we are still ok ... i guess

deriku · « **Reply #13 on:** July 21, 2015, 01:59:45 PM »

Counterfeit market exists because there is a demand for it. Is it entirely the fault of suppliers including movement makers? Seagull etc sell movements to 3rd parties as well similar to Sellita and ETA in the past. I think other than legal recourse against fakes, watch brands can perhaps collectively educate the market on the value of buying genuine. Yes the message may not resonate with every customer but at least it increases the awareness.

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CKL1213 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 21, 2015, 02:45:45 PM »

I am calmly waiting China to produce fake cars.

Maybe a BMW with a china engine?

I don't think chicks will inspect your engine, gearbox and chassis number.

Yoda · « **Reply #15 on:** July 21, 2015, 03:00:22 PM »

Quote from: CKL1213 on July 21, 2015, 02:45:45 PM

I am calmly waiting China to produce fake cars.

Maybe a BMW with a china engine?

I don't think chicks will inspect your engine, gearbox and chassis number.

Not really if I were to show off my BMW I would let them feel my gearknob, let them enjoy the silky smooth sailing 6 Speed , otherwise whats the point of showing off to the chicks

CKL1213 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 21, 2015, 03:14:07 PM »

AAA grade BMW exterior, china cow skin leather seat.

To lure lala mui.

kenji1903 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 21, 2015, 03:20:10 PM »

i thought there's already something similar? Evoque homage in China

http://www.carnewschina.com/2014/11/28/how-much-exactly-is-the-landwind-x7-a-clone-of-the-range-rover-evoque/

CKL1213 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 21, 2015, 03:26:05 PM »

Not bad, now I gotta look for the Range Rover badge

deriku · « **Reply #19 on:** July 21, 2015, 08:20:58 PM »

Hm you would be surprised how far China has come in terms of technology.

Any car company that wants to sell in China needs to set up a joint venture with a local partner. Hence technology transfer etc. More than half of the luxury cars sold here are manufactured locally, and they are already the largest auto market in the world. Yeah there are some bad hats who blatantly copy, but I would not be surprised if one day Chinese tech surpasses the Germans.

My point is China is not all cheap mass production. They can make some quality stuff too (if you know where to look).

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deriku · « **Reply #20 on:** July 21, 2015, 08:23:10 PM »

Quote from: CKL1213 on July 21, 2015, 03:14:07 PM

AAA grade BMW exterior, china cow skin leather seat.

To lure lala mui.

Would it surprise you if I were to say that the Alcantara leather in your Merc E-class is made in a little city called Yiwu in Zhejiang province?

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CKL1213 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 21, 2015, 09:29:46 PM »

The word Alcantara is so Italian feel.

I know my fabric seat is made somewhere in Rawang

Timeless · « **Reply #22 on:** July 22, 2015, 05:42:24 AM »

The undercover did an excellent job.. not a fan of counterfeit but kinda impress the investment of assets

chiewata · « **Reply #23 on:** July 22, 2015, 07:14:56 PM »

Quote from: deriku on July 21, 2015, 01:59:45 PM

Counterfeit market exists because there is a demand for it. Is it entirely the fault of suppliers including movement makers? Seagull etc sell movements to 3rd parties as well similar to Sellita and ETA in the past. I think other than legal recourse against fakes, watch brands can perhaps collectively educate the market on the value of buying genuine. Yes the message may not resonate with every customer but at least it increases the awareness.

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JLC did it every year with and interesting road show where by selected customers are invited to watch making workshop which in my opinion very effective as I personally appreciate luxury watches from a all new perspective

jason_recliner · « **Reply #24 on:** July 23, 2015, 07:02:38 AM »

Scary stuff! But not very surprising. If you try and sell a basic steel watch for $5k, and it can be produced for peanuts, don't be surprised if somebody else starts making them!

This is one reason I like Grand Seiko so much. The quality is so high, and the manual labor requirements so difficult, that to make a cheap fake is impossible. It would end up costing too much.

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Author Topic: A report on the current state of fake watch industry in China (Read 9616 times)