PAM 312 is it genuine

[orbital oryx]

To all the 312 owner sifu here,

Recently I bought a PAM312 from non AD. My concern is whether the watch is genuine or not.

How do we identify?

If I don't wear the watch for sometime the small second will stop. So to have the movement again, usually it require winding but although I wind it it won't move. So I shake the watch and it move. Is it suppose to be such function?

The date couldn’t adjust so I’ll have to wind the hour until I reach the date. Is this model like this?

[ck77]

This is your first automatic watch?
Of course it will stop if you don't wear it for some times la.
Bring to Richemont if has doubt.

In case you don't know where is it.

Richemont Luxury (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd
Address: Suite 16-01, Level 16 Menara HLA,
No. 3 Jalan Kia Peng 50450, Kuala Lumpur
Malaysia 
Tel: (603) 21765888

[Gigi]

312 has a display caseback... You can compare to it with image taken by other paneristi if you doubt the watch is genuine.

In my opinion its hard to fake the movement so ya

[Godzillaz]

Hmmm ... ... it sound serious 

I suppose you can send the watch to me.

If is fake I'll help you dispose of it. If is real you'll have it back in no time ... like the next Olympics (no, not London, Rio in Brazil)


I'll PM you where to meet.



Regards
Tyler

To all the 312 owner sifu here,

Recently I bought a PAM312 from non AD. My concern is whether the watch is genuine or not.

How do we identify?

If I don't wear the watch for sometime the small second will stop. So to have the movement again, usually it require winding but although I wind it it won't move. So I shake the watch and it move. Is it suppose to be such function?

The date couldn’t adjust so I’ll have to wind the hour until I reach the date. Is this model like this?

[ckng515]

PAM312 is a automatic watch with 3 days power reserve(72 hour)
So if you are not wearing the watch for a few days, so it will stop and this is normal.
PAM312 equips with P9000 movement, which doesn't have the quick set date function,so in order to adjust the date you will have to adjust the hour hand.


cheers,
ck

[dsiewmy]

LOL, this is a pretty funny question.

anyway, ck has everything explained correctly.
but i'd like to add that Richemont moved to Menara Standard Chartered, KL.

[gloomis]

for a peace of mind, just bring ur watch to richemont to verify as all the sifus here comment. at least u will can sleep peacefully at night

[orbital oryx]

Oh don't get me wrong 
I am aware about the automatic function and that if it doesn't wear for a while it will stop. So usually we wind it.

However despite winding, it won't move unless I shake it a few times.

So my question was, is this part of the design function?

Thanks ckng515 for the clarification.
Thanks all sifu for the elaboration.

If bring my watch to Richemont do you think they will "layan' me? I didn't bought it from AD

[gloomis]

for sure they will "layan" u coz u r customer. The is a minimum cost will be charge to you for verifying the watch so y they will ignore u?

[Godzillaz]

Automatic watch tend to do that. When you wind the watch manually the barrel is wound but the energy only get transfer when the autowinder release it to the gears. My guess is nothing wrong with your watch. How old is the watch anyway?

Regards
Tyler 

Oh don't get me wrong 
I am aware about the automatic function and that if it doesn't wear for a while it will stop. So usually we wind it.

However despite winding, it won't move unless I shake it a few times.

So my question was, is this part of the design function?

Thanks ckng515 for the clarification.
Thanks all sifu for the elaboration.

If bring my watch to Richemont do you think they will "layan' me? I didn't bought it from AD

[pexus]

a good indirect way is to ask yourself again who you bought it from....there are many many non AD sellers doing business with legitimate, good-condition pieces at reasonable price...MWF also got plenty already....even Pams...
these type of sellers will never jeopardize their reputation just to earn a few quick extra bucks...

So if your seller has a good reputation and track record in selling watches, it shouldn't be a problem, i think.

But MWF rules don't allow you to post specifically on seller and pricing....so you can't post it up here and ask ...so its really up to you to make your conclusions...

[dsiewmy]

since 2 years ago richemont has stopped "verifying" watches.

but all you need to do is bring it in and tell them you have a problem of it always stopping or etc.
they will just bring it in and show the watchmaker and he will time it.
during this, they will look at your watch and any trained eye can tell if it's a fake or not.

if there's a problem, u have it covered under warranty and all is well.
if there's no problem, u walk away a happy man.

if it's a fake, i hope u still have the sellers phone number.

[zameenzahari]

If you dont mind, please post the photos including the caseback. I'm sure we can start from there. Thanks

[rockdaman]

got if from another forum:

1. display back in house movement.
- so far complicated movement with display back is difficult to fake the quality. (of coz u need to know how P9000 movement looks like)

2. slow date change. the date turns slowly instead of instant change or near instant change.

3. the hour hand jumps in hour increments when setting date, like a gmt watch.

4. the quick release strap change system. this is definitely hard to fake as it requires precision parts.
- like seeing a new 104 without quick release = fake.

5. Price. If u bought for less than RM20k for a brand new piece then 99% replica. (edit: Maybe dsiewmy can get but no others...hahaha)

[rockdaman]

If you dont mind, please post the photos including the caseback. I'm sure we can start from there. Thanks

agreed. a picture speaks thousand words. of coz with a clear picture.

[Scott C.]

all automatic movement can be manual wind....

one should always buy from the trusted seller (be it AD or non-AD) and also, your question should have been asked before you purchase the watch... now a day, really hard to tell what's fake... i once handle a Hublot which look almost exactly like the real stuff.. maybe my knowledge to the Hublot is limited...

anywhere, i'm sure the rest of the members here already answered your question

 

[hanz079]

The title of "PAM312 is it genuine" already meant that you have concerns on the watch.
Only you yourself know what price you paid for it and who you bought it from.
Have you done your due diligence?
We're still waiting for pictures and waiting to learn a thing or two.
If it's genuine, we will know what sort of problem exists with this particular model or movement.
If it's a fake, we will know what to look for if we ever encountered one.
Win win situation... but OP missing in action liao...

[orbital oryx]

Hmmmmm can't seem to attach photo despite clicking "insert image" button.

[chrisyen]

all automatic movement can be manual wind....

one should always buy from the trusted seller (be it AD or non-AD) and also, your question should have been asked before you purchase the watch... now a day, really hard to tell what's fake... i once handle a Hublot which look almost exactly like the real stuff.. maybe my knowledge to the Hublot is limited...

anywhere, i'm sure the rest of the members here already answered your question

 

Not all auto watch windable
Seiko 7s26, 7s36... The old 6139, 7016...
Can't b manually wound

[Gigi]

Any news of the watch from the topic starter?

[rusminag]

Hmmmmm can't seem to attach photo despite clicking "insert image" button.

Please use this method:
http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php/topic,1228.0.html

[orbital oryx]

Sorry for the late reply, was very busy and not so clever about posting photo. Here you go.

[rusminag]

Looks genuine enough....

[G.MAC]

I may be wrong but as far as I have seen, the watch does look genuine.

[zameenzahari]

Sorry for the late reply, was very busy and not so clever about posting photo. Here you go.

No worries. its legit- the movement is the best way to look at it.