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Offline dpkong

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Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« on: July 07, 2022, 12:44:41 PM »

Does anyone have both the 1863 and 3861 in a collection?

Did you keep both or sell one?

Which did you keep?


Currently have the 1863 and thinking if I should upgrade to the 3861. I have seen the 3861 and the dial looks more attractive to me. Now wondering if ...

Sell the 1863 and buy the 3861?

Keep the 1863 and add a 3861?

I do like the Heritage models without the crown guards but don't like the "broad arrow" hour hands. Sure wish the FOIS was still available..


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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2022, 02:11:15 PM »
Wat is the main difference between the 2 btw? Movement n dial finishing? Hmm I suppose if u like the updated version them why not, flip the old n get the new. I heard the newer bracelet update is much nicer

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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2022, 02:48:37 PM »

Does anyone have both the 1863 and 3861 in a collection?

Did you keep both or sell one?

Which did you keep?


Currently have the 1863 and thinking if I should upgrade to the 3861. I have seen the 3861 and the dial looks more attractive to me. Now wondering if ...

Sell the 1863 and buy the 3861?

Keep the 1863 and add a 3861?

I do like the Heritage models without the crown guards but don't like the "broad arrow" hour hands. Sure wish the FOIS was still available..

In my mind the 321 is the best but unfortunately not available to buy at list. Btwn the 1863 and 3861 I don't have a firm favourite. Both have good points.

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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2022, 03:17:25 PM »
Is the 3861 bracelet slimmer too ? I recalled that from one of the youtube videos by Theo Harris

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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2022, 03:51:53 PM »
I don't own either, but for what it's worth I have had some experience with both of them.

For my small wrist, the 3861 fits better because the new bracelet can just pull straight down as compared to the 1863 it flares out slightly. I also prefer the looks of the new stepped dial on the 3861.

If i were you, i would replace the 1863 with the 3861 because there's quite a bit of overlap if you own both of them. Can spend the extra budget on another piece instead :Laughing_on_floor:

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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2022, 06:32:19 PM »
Is the 3861 bracelet slimmer too ? I recalled that from one of the youtube videos by Theo Harris


Reviews say it is thinner and the links are smaller so overall lighter and easier to get a better fit. The new bracelet also tapers more.

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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2022, 06:43:47 PM »
Wat is the main difference between the 2 btw? Movement n dial finishing? Hmm I suppose if u like the updated version them why not, flip the old n get the new. I heard the newer bracelet update is much nicer

1. new bracelet

2. new co-axial METAS movement 3861 vs. older 1861/1863

3. stepped dial where you can see the depression on the sub-dials very clearly

4. applied OMEGA logo on the dial

5. DON (dot over ninety) although this is not a concern for me

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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2022, 06:51:29 PM »

In my mind the 321 is the best but unfortunately not available to buy at list. Btwn the 1863 and 3861 I don't have a firm favourite. Both have good points.



while this thread isn't a discussion about the 321, I must admit it is a much better looking Moonwatch mainly for the 3 piece bracelet links and no crown guards to get in the way of the daily winding.

But at the list price of RM59,800 it is far too much for what you get regardless how iconic the 321 movement may seem... even the asking price for the platinum piece is a tad too high.. so to me the 321 is for the really hardcore OMEGA fans.






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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2022, 09:09:54 PM »

2. new co-axial METAS movement 3861 vs. older 1861/1863


also, I believe the new 3861 stops the seconds hand when setting the time whereas the older 1861/1863 does not hack which is annoying when I cannot sync my watches... thereby triggering my OCD..


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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2022, 05:44:34 AM »
Other than smaller box and lesser goodies that come with the 3861 as compared to 1863, the 3861 is definitely a better watch in every aspect and I won't hesitate to go for one.

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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2022, 08:40:08 AM »
I own the 1861 and also in similar dilemma
I prefer the stepped dial and new bracellet
However I could not convince myself for the extra 5 to 6 k to swap to 3861 or 3863 so far

Probably I would wait a little longer if there is somebody flip it later with a more reasonable price

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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2022, 10:21:56 AM »
I'm looking for a moonwatch currently as well. But having tried both the 1861 & 3861....d 3861 is a winner hands down purely in terms of bracelet comfort & METAS movement..

However i could understand d dilemma of those currently owning a 1861...

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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2022, 03:27:02 PM »
keep both  :Laughing_on_floor:

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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2022, 05:29:34 PM »
I think the heritage models will always be sought after. Either way, you will still have a speedy to play with, so keep the one that you are more likely to wear repeatedly.

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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2022, 06:43:07 PM »
On another note, what's everyone's thoughts on the subject of hesalite vs sapphire crystal? I feel partial to sapphire crystal, but that's more because I like the fact that it makes it possible to admire the movement thru the caseback.

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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2022, 08:16:58 PM »

keep both  :Laughing_on_floor:



when you put them side by side, they all look the same..

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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2022, 08:19:55 PM »

On another note, what's everyone's thoughts on the subject of hesalite vs sapphire crystal? I feel partial to sapphire crystal, but that's more because I like the fact that it makes it possible to admire the movement thru the caseback.


I don't like the hesalite because you will bump it and you will scratch it and sooner or later, you're going to get bored of playing with polywatch but if you prefer hesalite but want to admire the movement, you can buy the aftermarket caseback.

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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2022, 01:10:09 PM »
the ori moonwatch sapphire caseback can be easily gotten on after market ka? likely we can't walk in to omega and ask them to do that la kan. that's interesting though, never thought about aftermarket customization of moonwatches before. pretty much like modding a seiko 5 also  :laugh:

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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2022, 07:23:51 PM »
the ori moonwatch sapphire caseback can be easily gotten on after market ka? likely we can't walk in to omega and ask them to do that la kan. that's interesting though, never thought about aftermarket customization of moonwatches before. pretty much like modding a seiko 5 also  :laugh:

many have good reviews on these

https://www.spiralwinderwatchparts.com/

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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2022, 05:23:57 PM »
that's neat, the parts look reasonable well fabricated, harga pun ok

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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2022, 08:06:26 PM »
There is a certain stigma in the watch community where modifications are frowned upon. Would aftermarket casebacks fall under this category?

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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2022, 02:16:42 PM »
Depends on the watch la really - a modded Seiko 5 might be considered a novelty whereas a modded Moonwatch might be considered a frankenstein.

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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2022, 03:48:20 PM »
There is a certain stigma in the watch community where modifications are frowned upon. Would aftermarket casebacks fall under this category?

would be better to start a new topic so you could get more attention...

but a caseback mod is usually not frowned upon because it is quickly and easily reversed unlike others like dial, hands or bezel which tries to change the watch into something it wasn't

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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2022, 03:17:27 PM »

Does anyone have both the 1863 and 3861 in a collection?

Did you keep both or sell one?

Which did you keep?


Currently have the 1863 and thinking if I should upgrade to the 3861. I have seen the 3861 and the dial looks more attractive to me. Now wondering if ...

Sell the 1863 and buy the 3861?

Keep the 1863 and add a 3861?

I do like the Heritage models without the crown guards but don't like the "broad arrow" hour hands. Sure wish the FOIS was still available..

y not just collect both if u affordable, collect all the black dial but different different moonwatch's masterpiece calibre.
i guess this is cool.  ;D ;D

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Re: Omega Moonwatch - 1863 vs 3861
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2022, 12:25:29 PM »

Does anyone have both the 1863 and 3861 in a collection?

Did you keep both or sell one?

Which did you keep?


Currently have the 1863 and thinking if I should upgrade to the 3861. I have seen the 3861 and the dial looks more attractive to me. Now wondering if ...

Sell the 1863 and buy the 3861?

Keep the 1863 and add a 3861?

I do like the Heritage models without the crown guards but don't like the "broad arrow" hour hands. Sure wish the FOIS was still available..

I have tried on both (from my friend's collection) and frankly most will be able to tell from the wrist. The only noticeable difference would be the bracelet which the 3861 excel in. So there's really no need to have both... unless you are on a mission to collect every available speedmaster there is in the market  ;)