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Title: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: nctt1971 on August 25, 2020, 05:37:10 PM
Its hard getting to know a zenith watch lover... I like it but not many appreciate the brand.

The recent Zenith Defy 21 ‘Carl Cox is beautiful...

https://www.thehourglass.com/my/new-watch/zenith-defy21-carlcox/?utm_source=The+Hour+Glass&utm_campaign=16858b0139-August2020_EDM_non_sg_20200818&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f9429cba5e-16858b0139-225103010

Any comments....
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: hanz079 on August 25, 2020, 08:32:16 PM
Zenith lover here... Been one for a long time. Although i am less active in the watch collecting scene at the moment.
The Defy 21 Carl Cox is indeed beautiful. But i would just go for the vanilla skeletonized version. Just my 2 sen... Hehehe
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: Chuan on August 25, 2020, 08:49:07 PM
I like Zenith and I like Carl Cox. Saw Carl live in the good old days of KL Superclubs haha. One day I'll get the El Primero Chrono :)
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dpkong on August 25, 2020, 09:04:01 PM

Zenith coming soon...
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: nctt1971 on August 25, 2020, 09:34:39 PM
You met Carl... so lucky.. didnt ask for his signature on the watch box
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: Chuan on August 26, 2020, 06:10:11 PM
Many moons ago.  :Laughing_on_floor:


You met Carl... so lucky.. didnt ask for his signature on the watch box
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: brasso93 on September 10, 2020, 05:04:01 PM
I love my XXT but not an everyday watch.
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dpkong on December 05, 2020, 05:53:30 AM

feels a bit small though
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: G.MAC on December 05, 2020, 08:51:07 AM

feels a bit small though

Don't think so. Looks really good on you.
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dpkong on December 05, 2020, 10:48:36 AM

feels a bit small though

Don't think so. Looks really good on you.

This means the other watches in my collection are oversized...

 :Laughing_on_floor:
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: Cocas on December 05, 2020, 05:54:33 PM

feels a bit small though

It visually looks small because the glass is small. The case size is big actually.
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dpkong on December 05, 2020, 06:02:50 PM

The polished index and hands are lovely when they catch the light
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: c4all on December 05, 2020, 06:30:58 PM
That is a beautiful watch. The only Zenith I had the opportunity of handling is a bronze pilot from this brand. It looked too simple for me so I wasn't sold on this brand yet. That chrono is a different story altogether.
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dpkong on December 05, 2020, 06:34:11 PM

in a better light on an overcast day
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on December 06, 2020, 07:42:30 AM
Seems there's a lot of love for the A384 specifically  :D

Had the opportunity to test it out some time ago and kinda liked it, dial face is a tad small but the tonneau case makes up for it la I reckon. Seen here on my 7in wrist. I reckon about the only gripe I have is that, knowing me and my clumsy hands, all that extra metal is gonna magnet a lot of scratches haha...would also like it on ss bracelet, which I can happily see myself confusing it with my Tissot quickster in early morning rush to work.

(https://i.ibb.co/ydPGkDf/IMG-20201206-103440.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XjLN592)
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: Jms on December 06, 2020, 11:29:24 AM
here, 2 zenith rainbow, defy xtrem, Love, etc
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dpkong on December 06, 2020, 02:58:14 PM
Seems there's a lot of love for the A384 specifically  :D

Had the opportunity to test it out some time ago and kinda liked it, dial face is a tad small but the tonneau case makes up for it la I reckon. Seen here on my 7in wrist. I reckon about the only gripe I have is that, knowing me and my clumsy hands, all that extra metal is gonna magnet a lot of scratches haha...would also like it on ss bracelet, which I can happily see myself confusing it with my Tissot quickster in early morning rush to work.



I'm trying to get used to the smaller sized watches in order to move to a Calatrava some day...

 :Cheers:
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: jmur3 on December 07, 2020, 07:38:23 AM
currently looking at the defy classic ceramic ....
not sure if the liking is temporary.
anyone own these in blue, black or white?
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on December 31, 2020, 10:31:57 PM
I've always admired the El Primeros but never found a model that really clicked. I was dead set on getting a Defy Classic Skeleton last year but was somewhat underwhelmed when I tried it on the wrist.

BUT I tried out the A384 revival recently at SWG and I was immediately smitten by it. While a bit smaller than what I'm used to, that thing just oozed charm and was such a breath of fresh air. Ordered one with the ladder bracelet on the spot but they have to bring it in from Switzerland (approx 6 weeks wait). Hopefully it'll reach here in time for CNY! The A384 is a winner :D

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dpkong on December 31, 2020, 10:57:19 PM

The A384 looks a lot better on a leather strap if you ask me. Much better vintage look
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on January 01, 2021, 10:24:24 AM

The A384 looks a lot better on a leather strap if you ask me. Much better vintage look
I'd probably order the leather strap too at sometime. I'd want to experience the ladder bracelet first though ;)

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on January 03, 2021, 09:42:31 AM
Man, this Shadow variant is something else. Got me wondering just how durable this microblasted titanium actually is, whether it would scratch easily and show it. Something about the darker styled color theme is appealing.

(https://i.ibb.co/vh3qjbF/zenith.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Nr9CyXv)
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on January 03, 2021, 10:46:39 AM
Man, this Shadow variant is something else. Got me wondering just how durable this microblasted titanium actually is, whether it would scratch easily and show it. Something about the darker styled color theme is appealing.

(https://i.ibb.co/vh3qjbF/zenith.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Nr9CyXv)
I think it's genuinely cool and a pretty modern take on the A384, but personally it's overly sporty and I feel that the microblast finish comes at the cost of really sharp lines and bevels on the SS version. But I'd imagine it would make for a very compelling everyday casual sport watch (perhaps more so for smaller wrist guys).

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on January 05, 2021, 01:24:34 PM
I think it's genuinely cool and a pretty modern take on the A384, but personally it's overly sporty and I feel that the microblast finish comes at the cost of really sharp lines and bevels on the SS version. But I'd imagine it would make for a very compelling everyday casual sport watch (perhaps more so for smaller wrist guys).

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Yeah, definitely more for a casual/everyday wear kinda thing. I tend to wear black band t-shirts and jeans most times anyways so it has its appeal. Though, it really is nice to have a bracelet option as well to wear with it, like the SS A384.
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on January 05, 2021, 02:48:16 PM
Don't think the Shadow Edition would have a matching Ti bracelet though, sadly. Or if you can source the JP LE Lupin the 3rd (1st edition).... that will be perfect with the SS bracelet.

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on January 05, 2021, 03:06:32 PM
Don't think the Shadow Edition would have a matching Ti bracelet though, sadly. Or if you can source the JP LE Lupin the 3rd (1st edition).... that will be perfect with the SS bracelet.

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Wah, that's an interesting cultural reference piece la, thanks for pointing it out. Wasn't aware they had this. Good thing they didn't spell it ENITH like the anime did hahaha...gonna be challenging tracking this thing down I reckon, but it just oozes retro charm
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on January 05, 2021, 04:42:09 PM
Don't think the Shadow Edition would have a matching Ti bracelet though, sadly. Or if you can source the JP LE Lupin the 3rd (1st edition).... that will be perfect with the SS bracelet.

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Wah, that's an interesting cultural reference piece la, thanks for pointing it out. Wasn't aware they had this. Good thing they didn't spell it ENITH like the anime did hahaha...gonna be challenging tracking this thing down I reckon, but it just oozes retro charm
They even did a 2nd edition Lupin A384 with the SS bracelet. This one has white tachy meter, cream lume, and black date disk

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on January 05, 2021, 07:15:49 PM
The bracelet is stylo la, like a ss version of a rally strap. But had a look on chrono24 and the current price is....arresting la shall we say, considering that they probably released at around EUR7000 or so. Lovely timepiece nonetheless.
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on January 06, 2021, 02:39:09 PM
And bam... out comes the A385!

https://monochrome-watches.com/zenith-chronomaster-revival-a385-introducing-price/

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on January 06, 2021, 04:35:22 PM
Hahaha hai adik-adik,tora datang lagi dengan permainan zenith baru!  :Laughing_on_floor: 

just when i thought it was safe to dream. that gradient dial is nice la, goes well with a cup of hipster art cappuccino. Curious, what sets the 384 n 385 apart?
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dpkong on January 06, 2021, 08:02:06 PM
Hahaha hai adik-adik,tora datang lagi dengan permainan zenith baru!  :Laughing_on_floor: 

just when i thought it was safe to dream. that gradient dial is nice la, goes well with a cup of hipster art cappuccino. Curious, what sets the 384 n 385 apart?

Probably just the dial colour
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on January 09, 2021, 08:27:29 AM
Speaking of dial color la kan, dress wise, should we be concerned about like matching colors of dials, watch strap, belt, shoes, that whole shebang. Do u guys coordinate that stuff? I'm usually quite cincai when it comes to it but the question does keep me awake at night sometimes  ;D
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dpkong on January 09, 2021, 06:02:13 PM
Speaking of dial color la kan, dress wise, should we be concerned about like matching colors of dials, watch strap, belt, shoes, that whole shebang. Do u guys coordinate that stuff? I'm usually quite cincai when it comes to it but the question does keep me awake at night sometimes  ;D

I don't bother to match colours or differentiate sports and dress.. I just slap anything I like on
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: bulletnos on January 09, 2021, 08:03:23 PM
Speaking of dial color la kan, dress wise, should we be concerned about like matching colors of dials, watch strap, belt, shoes, that whole shebang. Do u guys coordinate that stuff? I'm usually quite cincai when it comes to it but the question does keep me awake at night sometimes  ;D

Actually i am conscious about this as well....not overly colour coordinated, but at least if I’m wearing a tanned leather watch strap, I would match with a tanned leather belt and shoes. Things like no tanned /brown shoes with black slacks/suit is a given.

But if I’m lazy, just go for steel bracelet, black face. Super safe - unless you’re going for a run then would be weird IMO. Haha

Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on January 10, 2021, 06:40:24 AM
Hmmm...e
Casual = anything goes. Even dress watches (I know :D )
Black watch strap = black shoes/belt
Brown/tan = goes with almost everything
Bracelet = anything goes. Super versatile

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on January 10, 2021, 01:56:04 PM
Thanks for the feedback...I suppose for a brown dial like the 385, it is fairly straight forward. At times I do wonder though, about other colored dials like green or orange or some others. I guess a time piece if casual  colored/looking, should remain casual  :laugh:
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: kwang89 on January 16, 2021, 11:10:05 AM
Guys, what are your experience on discount from Zenith AD in Malaysia?
Some of their El Primero Chronomaster are pretty nice and starting to look around for it....
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dpkong on January 16, 2021, 01:15:53 PM
Guys, what are your experience on discount from Zenith AD in Malaysia?
Some of their El Primero Chronomaster are pretty nice and starting to look around for it....

I’m sure it depends on the model you are looking at. I think 20% off should be possible
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on January 16, 2021, 02:04:52 PM
For some models, 30% is actually doable - just need to push a bit (my experience with Swiss Watch Gallery)

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dpkong on January 16, 2021, 08:09:18 PM
For some models, 30% is actually doable - just need to push a bit (my experience with Swiss Watch Gallery)

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That's a great tip! Thanks!
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: kwang89 on January 16, 2021, 08:42:57 PM
For some models, 30% is actually doable - just need to push a bit (my experience with Swiss Watch Gallery)

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Wow, 30% sounds good.
Will go check it out at SWG after MCO lifted...
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on January 22, 2021, 06:56:04 AM
More new Zenith! Thoughts? On ke tak on?  ;)
(https://i.ibb.co/5BcxWwz/IMG-20210122-095316.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RzH4pdM)
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dpkong on January 22, 2021, 07:29:39 AM

RRP?

I really do wish Zenith would just forego the date window.

And that light gray color for the seconds sub dial is always not so impressive in real life.

Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: ck77 on January 22, 2021, 07:38:21 AM

RRP?

I really do wish Zenith would just forego the date window.

And that light gray color for the seconds sub dial is always not so impressive in real life.
42.3k
https://www.zenith-watches.com/en_my/product/chronomaster-sport-03-3100-3600-69-m3100
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dpkong on January 22, 2021, 07:42:05 AM

RRP?

I really do wish Zenith would just forego the date window.

And that light gray color for the seconds sub dial is always not so impressive in real life.
42.3k
https://www.zenith-watches.com/en_my/product/chronomaster-sport-03-3100-3600-69-m3100

No kidding about being a Daytona wannabe... price also near.

Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on January 22, 2021, 07:45:02 AM
Looks wise somehow despite the more significant n appropriate size, I still feel more attracted to the A384 vsriants though. Yeah and the price doesn't help  ;D. seems like a piece to pick up on the secondary market more like. Still though, need to give it a test on the wrist just to have a fair opinion.
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: G.MAC on January 22, 2021, 08:21:49 AM
The date window ruins it for me
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dpkong on January 22, 2021, 09:58:06 AM

The date window ruins it for me



The AP ROO style got it right with counters at 6 9 12 and date at 3

Speedmaster and Daytona just left the date out

and the older VC Overseas 49150 had a big date at 12

Had to compromise with the A384 because I like the watch a lot


Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on January 22, 2021, 11:27:57 AM
Wow, just saw the article for the new sport models. 41mm (nice size!), ceramic bezel (very daytona), and 1/10th chrono second hand. Looks like a sweet combo! I like that movement from the Defy 21 but 44mm was way too big for me.

Probably my 2nd favorite Zenith now after the A384. It's a yay from me :)

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: Gentlemen101 on January 22, 2021, 06:30:20 PM
The diff is around rm13k compared to SS Daytona...

Problem is Rolex ain’t selling u one..
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dpkong on January 22, 2021, 06:34:53 PM
The date window ruins it for me


Will just call this the Datetona then..


The diff is around rm13k compared to SS Daytona...

Problem is Rolex ain’t selling u one..

But you know it's a Zenith and not a ROLEX and deep down, you will still want the Daytona even when you have this.

Though I'd say this OMEGA does look a lot like a Daytona too..

Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: snloovincent on January 23, 2021, 02:45:56 PM
My Zenith EP 42mm anthracite grey dial..

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on January 23, 2021, 03:24:14 PM
My Zenith EP 42mm anthracite grey dial..

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Handsome piece bro, did it come with the croc strap or was there an SS bracelet as well?
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: snloovincent on January 23, 2021, 03:37:12 PM
It comes with leather strap and folding buckle.

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dspayre616 on January 23, 2021, 04:11:44 PM
Taken from Facebook but if you ask me, I am not that guy because I don't own a Daytona.

Jokes a side, the Zenith Chronomaster sport uses the calibre 3600 which uses an escape wheel to drive the chronograph. This could potentially cause accuracy issues. However, Zenith tries to solve it by using a low-inertia silicon for the escape wheel but I am guessing time will tell whether this would solve it or not.
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on January 23, 2021, 05:34:00 PM
It comes with leather strap and folding buckle.

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Whats service charges like for one of these? I always feel a tad hesitant about picking up a chronograph mechanical wondering how its gonna impact maintenance further down the road.
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: snloovincent on January 23, 2021, 05:36:03 PM
I have yet to service the watch. Was told the service charge is not expensive...

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on January 25, 2021, 02:57:34 PM
Just saw this n thought it was hilarious  ;D

(https://i.ibb.co/gPbCDmZ/140708589-438482250605797-4170738685420824909-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fnV7Cqd)
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: W3ll on January 31, 2021, 01:56:58 PM
Is the “daytona” available in malaysia already?

Saw someone flexing it in facebook mwg, but call to AD say watch not yet arrive
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on January 31, 2021, 02:03:49 PM
Is the “daytona” available in malaysia already?

Saw someone flexing it in facebook mwg, but call to AD say watch not yet arrive
AD said most likely Feb/March. Should be very interesting to see in the flesh. Reviews seem to be very good so far but all the platforms inevitably compare it to the Rolex ;)

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dpkong on January 31, 2021, 08:03:39 PM
Is the “daytona” available in malaysia already?

Saw someone flexing it in facebook mwg, but call to AD say watch not yet arrive
AD said most likely Feb/March. Should be very interesting to see in the flesh. Reviews seem to be very good so far but all the platforms inevitably compare it to the Rolex ;)

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Some people just want to be the first.... have heard that it's around rm35k which puts it about 20% discount... still a bit much for a steel Zenith if you ask me...

And I think the hype about resembling a Daytona is too much.. no crown guards, no screw down pushers, a date window and solid coloured subdials nearly overlapping... is very much Zenith design.

Then as a member here points out..

Taken from Facebook but if you ask me, I am not that guy because I don't own a Daytona.

Jokes a side, the Zenith Chronomaster sport uses the calibre 3600 which uses an escape wheel to drive the chronograph. This could potentially cause accuracy issues. However, Zenith tries to solve it by using a low-inertia silicon for the escape wheel but I am guessing time will tell whether this would solve it or not.

and from https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/zenith-chronomaster-sport-with-the-el-primero-caliber-3600-introducing

the new Calibre 3600 has yet to prove it's reliability and I'd like to see what happens when more users buy it and start letting the chronograph run for extended periods.

Overall, the 1/10th will be an interesting feature and will be watching for it when it's at least 30% or more off retail.. the striking 10th models were never a big hit and suffered badly in the resale market.



Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on February 01, 2021, 06:21:55 AM
I think this new Zenith is decently competitive in the new high-end sport chronos market. Since the Daytona is now 100k and even the Omega 321 is inflated too. If lets say with 25-30% discount at 30k+ or so, it's actually pretty attractive. The only possible issue is that it's a Zenith, which means it'll inevitably be an enthusiast's option, and lack the mainstream appeal of the other brands. The more I looked at the pictures, the more I have a soft spot for the black dial version ;)

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on February 01, 2021, 07:18:39 AM
Its a good thing for zenith la kan, I can't remember a time when they last received this much attention. Even if this is all just hype and the market perception for the watch will cool down soon enough. Hopefully in a couple of years the black dialed one would be on the secondary market at a nice discoubt.
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on February 01, 2021, 07:48:24 AM
Its a good thing for zenith la kan, I can't remember a time when they last received this much attention. Even if this is all just hype and the market perception for the watch will cool down soon enough. Hopefully in a couple of years the black dialed one would be on the secondary market at a nice discoubt.
Totally agreed. No rush... go visit AD and look see first :D

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: W3ll on February 01, 2021, 12:32:53 PM
Its a good thing for zenith la kan, I can't remember a time when they last received this much attention. Even if this is all just hype and the market perception for the watch will cool down soon enough. Hopefully in a couple of years the black dialed one would be on the secondary market at a nice discoubt.
Let’s see the hype is enough to drive the sales up for zenith.. i hope they don’t hold back the discounts due to hype up demand.
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dpkong on February 02, 2021, 11:03:15 AM
Its a good thing for zenith la kan, I can't remember a time when they last received this much attention. Even if this is all just hype and the market perception for the watch will cool down soon enough. Hopefully in a couple of years the black dialed one would be on the secondary market at a nice discoubt.
Let’s see the hype is enough to drive the sales up for zenith.. i hope they don’t hold back the discounts due to hype up demand.

Isn't the whole purpose of hype'd up demand to cut out discounts and hopefully create a premium?
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on February 02, 2021, 11:18:29 AM
I think this watch will be a relatively easy one to get to be honest. It is a great looking watch, priced relatively well, BUT the endless comparison against the daytona will give it the perception of a homage watch. And Zenith's watches aren't terribly popular to begin with, especially when they have a ton of other EPs in the range. So, I think... good discounts!

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: W3ll on February 02, 2021, 11:50:36 AM
Isn't the whole purpose of hype'd up demand to cut out discounts and hopefully create a premium?

well that's the point but whether it works out for zenith I have my doubts
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on February 03, 2021, 09:32:27 PM
I reckon that's what Zenith wants to create, an atmosphere of desirability to justify a price premium. However, it remains to be seen whether they can actually sustain that situation over time to be able to command that premium. I say more power to them if they do, more power to us if they don't :Laughing_on_floor:
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on February 11, 2021, 03:19:45 PM
 :Laughing_on_floor:

(https://i.ibb.co/9sy8crJ/IMG-20210211-181824.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6gDnrW2)
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on February 18, 2021, 04:06:07 PM
Finally picked up my A384 today :)

Thing looks absolutely lovely and the ladder bracelet is light, balanced and comfortable. Finishing is good on the bracelet, fit is decent and the retro feel is through the roof.

On another note, Zenith decided to pair the bracelet with a rather simple thin stamped clasp which not only looks vintage, but feels vintage too. The upside is that it's light and doesn't make the watch bottom-heavy; but the downside is that the quality feels like something from an early Seiko 5 (i.e. cheap - even the new 5KXs have better clasps). The flip-lock mechanism likewise feels cheap too. Which I think is a deliberate move from Zenith for that vintage vibe... but they could have easily engineered a much higher quality clasp.

Overall, the clasp isn't a dealbreaker yet since the ladder bracelet just looks so special. Time will tell how it fares after I get more wrist time.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210218/1637f3f17038e3087a4c7ad35ba12e4e.jpg)

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on February 18, 2021, 06:30:04 PM
That's a cracking piece right there mate, congrats on the new watch :thumbsup:

Was wondering about the clasp/ flip lock thing u mentioned, have u got a shot of it? Also, if u dont mind the ask, how many % off did u manage to wrangle off the shop and what's the servicing rate gonna be like?
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on February 18, 2021, 09:22:10 PM
That's a cracking piece right there mate, congrats on the new watch

Was wondering about the clasp/ flip lock thing u mentioned, have u got a shot of it? Also, if u dont mind the ask, how many % off did u manage to wrangle off the shop and what's the servicing rate gonna be like?
Ahh thanks! No joke, the clasp is almost identical to the original Gay Freres clasp. I just googled the vintage one and it looks exactly the same to my eyes. But I have to say the bracelet quality of the new one looks better with less slack/jangle. Will update again on the wearing experience once I get more wrist time.

PS: I got almost 30% off for it after some tough haggling, but they recently increase the RRP of the A384 by about 1k+ so I had to pay a bit more than what I expected. Service-wise I have no idea but I read that El Primeros are generally not too expensive to service. Hope that helps!

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on February 18, 2021, 09:26:09 PM
This image is of the original vintage clasp. The new one looks exactly the same, down to the Zenith text engraving & location.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210218/0882c81113f7f738a27a51146f121ac1.jpg)

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on February 19, 2021, 06:52:23 AM
Had no idea who this Gay Freres was and their significance to the swiss watch industry la, had to read up a bit. Interesting, they made stuff for everybody at one point.

I reckon ur right in that they wanted to maintain the period accuracy of the watch by making the clasp the way it is. So long as it firmly holds in place ok la. Having said that, now comes the next fun part - hunting new straps  :D I'm assuming the lug width is 18mm?
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on February 19, 2021, 08:26:49 AM
Had no idea who this Gay Freres was and their significance to the swiss watch industry la, had to read up a bit. Interesting, they made stuff for everybody at one point.

I reckon ur right in that they wanted to maintain the period accuracy of the watch by making the clasp the way it is. So long as it firmly holds in place ok la. Having said that, now comes the next fun part - hunting new straps  :D I'm assuming the lug width is 18mm?
Yea loh the bracelet is somewhat historically correct but if they improved the bracelet links, they could have improved the clasp also lah.

Lug width is 19mm. More difficult size but still reasonably easy to find.

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on February 19, 2021, 09:07:25 AM
Fair point there. Still, its an awesome piece man, definitely a more unique option than the chronomaster sport that everybody and his grandmother who wants a Daytona but couldn't is gonna clamor for  :Laughing_on_floor:

Wear it in good health bro, looking forward to more snaps  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on February 25, 2021, 04:32:00 PM
Dropped by the AD to destress and cuci mata. Its got a different look and vibe vs SS, just a wee bit too small though. Dah la kulit gelap, jam pun gelap, jangan masa depan gelap sudah la  :Laughing_on_floor:

(https://i.ibb.co/vBc8pTV/IMG-20210225-191737.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hMgvb4L)
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on February 25, 2021, 06:43:41 PM
Ooo looks good thou. Very contemporary. It felt small to me at first too (I wore a 44mm PAM while collecting the A384) but it took only 1 hour of wearing to get used to it ;)

PS: the bracelet actually makes it feel more like a 39/40mm watch since the endlinks gives the overall look more heft.

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: Gentlemen101 on February 26, 2021, 04:48:17 AM
Chono sport now no stock at the entire KL AD.. they r riding on the Daytona fame.. or possible doing a ‘Rolex’ stunt ..
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on February 26, 2021, 12:12:19 PM
Ooo looks good thou. Very contemporary. It felt small to me at first too (I wore a 44mm PAM while collecting the A384) but it took only 1 hour of wearing to get used to it ;)

PS: the bracelet actually makes it feel more like a 39/40mm watch since the endlinks gives the overall look more heft.

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Wah, quite a jump from a PAM to a A384. That's a 7mm change.

Actually I kinda like the idea of having a bracelet option la really, it adds more flavor, versatility. Also, from feedback that I get, this micro blasted surface can pick up scratches and can't be polished or remedied, meaning we go in full well expecting it to get scuffed and weathered over time. Having mixed feelings about that la, even though I love the color scheme and looks.

Out of curiosity, do u reckon the 19mm lug width of the watch would be able to accomodate 20mm sized straps?
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on February 26, 2021, 12:16:35 PM
Chono sport now no stock at the entire KL AD.. they r riding on the Daytona fame.. or possible doing a ‘Rolex’ stunt ..

Was talking about this also yesterday with the SA, seems stock would begin to arrive for some of the early birds around next month but no guaranteed deliveries. I was told to anticipate a 6 mth wait. Price wise I think its possible to negotiate 25% or maybe even better if got good relationship with the shop, but that's still 30k+ though. Heading up into Snoopy territory.
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on February 26, 2021, 01:12:14 PM
Ooo looks good thou. Very contemporary. It felt small to me at first too (I wore a 44mm PAM while collecting the A384) but it took only 1 hour of wearing to get used to it ;)

PS: the bracelet actually makes it feel more like a 39/40mm watch since the endlinks gives the overall look more heft.

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Wah, quite a jump from a PAM to a A384. That's a 7mm change.

Actually I kinda like the idea of having a bracelet option la really, it adds more flavor, versatility. Also, from feedback that I get, this micro blasted surface can pick up scratches and can't be polished or remedied, meaning we go in full well expecting it to get scuffed and weathered over time. Having mixed feelings about that la, even though I love the color scheme and looks.

Out of curiosity, do u reckon the 19mm lug width of the watch would be able to accomodate 20mm sized straps?
The bracelet clasp feels cheap but you forget about it very quickly. On the bright side, the scuffs on the clasp don't even bother me one bit and the bracelet has to be the most cooling one in the market hahahah.

Yes, very possible to squish 20mm leather or NATO straps into 19mm lugs and looks ok but the harder rubber ones will be tough. I actually once filed a cheap leather strap slightly at the lug end to fit a smaller one and it looks rather good. Not perfect but not really noticeable.

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on February 26, 2021, 02:48:02 PM
Benefits of a ladder bracelet la eh? I tried to experiment and squeeze a 21mm strap on my 20mm watch, they sit really snug between the lugs and are somewhat stiff, but still ok la, usable. Interestingly enough the Chronomaster Sport sports a 20mm lug width, which is just nice.
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: Alvenlee on March 28, 2021, 02:52:58 PM
Really like the Chronomaster sport. Awesome movement and incredible looks. Now at waiting list too.
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dpkong on March 28, 2021, 08:15:43 PM
Really like the Chronomaster sport. Awesome movement and incredible looks. Now at waiting list too.

I like everything about it except the grey running seconds sub-dial is too light and feels like a deal breaker to me.
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: zoltan on April 13, 2021, 03:01:56 PM
Plan to get Zenith Defy classic. Any owner here? Is it a good watch and easy to maintain?
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: W3ll on April 16, 2021, 03:17:01 PM
Really like the Chronomaster sport. Awesome movement and incredible looks. Now at waiting list too.

Any idea how long to wait for this watch? It seems like can't even see it on the shelf so far in ADs
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on April 17, 2021, 09:22:05 AM
Haven't seen the new Sport in ADs as well. I imagine many of them have been booked due to the hype and there aren't many pieces coming in. All probably already accounted for before it lands here.

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on April 17, 2021, 11:31:11 AM
Last I heard in March, it was a wait of around 3-6 months or so. But there weren't so many on the list at my regular AD la then time.
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: Alvenlee on April 18, 2021, 09:44:04 AM
Really like the Chronomaster sport. Awesome movement and incredible looks. Now at waiting list too.

Any idea how long to wait for this watch? It seems like can't even see it on the shelf so far in ADs
Try contact sincere watch. They got ready stock, priority for those in waiting list. White Dial is harder to get compare black dial

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: W3ll on April 19, 2021, 11:51:23 AM
Really like the Chronomaster sport. Awesome movement and incredible looks. Now at waiting list too.

Any idea how long to wait for this watch? It seems like can't even see it on the shelf so far in ADs
Try contact sincere watch. They got ready stock, priority for those in waiting list. White Dial is harder to get compare black dial

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if there is a waitlist i doubt there is ready stock right? unless ADs are now playing the "keep stock" game to make it looks like the watch is in huge demand..
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: XuinTan on May 19, 2021, 09:16:49 PM
Last time I check the chronomaster in Pavilion store, they say have to wait for 6 months
I was going to check the EP classic actually, no stock as well
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: W3ll on May 20, 2021, 07:28:30 AM
Last time I check the chronomaster in Pavilion store, they say have to wait for 6 months
I was going to check the EP classic actually, no stock as well

Been told around the same wait time for the chronomaster sport as well, and funny part is they don't even want to entertain the question on discount like they not interested to even sell the watch to you.
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dpkong on May 20, 2021, 07:37:10 PM
Dropped by the AD to destress and cuci mata. Its got a different look and vibe vs SS, just a wee bit too small though. Dah la kulit gelap, jam pun gelap, jangan masa depan gelap sudah la  :Laughing_on_floor:

(https://i.ibb.co/vBc8pTV/IMG-20210225-191737.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hMgvb4L)


the A384 should have been made like this without a date window
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on May 23, 2021, 08:30:20 PM
Dropped by the AD to destress and cuci mata. Its got a different look and vibe vs SS, just a wee bit too small though. Dah la kulit gelap, jam pun gelap, jangan masa depan gelap sudah la  :Laughing_on_floor:

(https://i.ibb.co/vBc8pTV/IMG-20210225-191737.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hMgvb4L)


the A384 should have been made like this without a date window
Wow, I didn't catch that detail at all! I guess they wanted to replicate the original A384 model exactly. But I don't mind the date window at all. It's a quirky step window and interesting date font!

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dexson on May 24, 2021, 06:06:36 AM
Plan to get Zenith Defy classic. Any owner here? Is it a good watch and easy to maintain?

Got a Defy Classic Skeleton for my wedding little over a year ago. I got the FKM rubber strap instead of the bracelet. So hairline scratches only around the buckle area.. watch wise still perfect. I wear it like 2 days a week and I consider myself a careful owner.

Good luck with it ! You will surely enjoy it.

Cheers,
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on June 29, 2021, 09:41:38 PM
Greetings hivemind, what do we think about these new A386 offerings? Read somewhere they can also be had with the ladder bracelet.

(https://i.ibb.co/YB7mtkj/03-3200-3600-69-m3200.webp) (https://ibb.co/JjRVz7k)

(https://i.ibb.co/dg5Nrdf/03-3200-3600-21-m3200.webp) (https://ibb.co/NSy0s8F)
Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on June 30, 2021, 08:37:36 AM
Love them I think these to me are more desirable than the ceramic Chronomaster Sport model. And with the same rapid 1/10th movement no less!

I quite like these modern bracelets lah. Since it's not a reissue, but more like a 38mm modern version that somewhat looks like the A386 so the bracelet works for me. Can't wait to see them in person.

Zenith is on a roll recently - good for them!

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Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: pleasuresaurus on June 30, 2021, 02:50:36 PM
They're really on a roll, no doubt. From so-so releases to suddenly having a watch queued up with a 6 month waitlist, they doing pretty damn good for a small outfit.

I'm really digging the panda dial la tbh, its a nice change from the usual tri color theme n has a vintage vibe to it.

There's also this pretty piece slated to come out as a LE for the Pink Dial Project in Oct. Tapi mampus la nak buleh dpt  :Laughing_on_floor:

(https://i.ibb.co/K65bvCJ/zenith-pink-dial.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Q9Jpws4)

Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: dpkong on June 30, 2021, 08:34:08 PM

Really curious how the new A386 stacks up against the A384 which I begin to find a tad small. The reverse panda would be an interesting complement to the A384.

Again, still wish the date window was somewhere else or removed.

Change of the chrono seconds is interesting but still the running seconds dial at 9 should have been a different color font instead of white on grey which is a but harder to see.

Otherwise it does look like some of the older El Primero models which was discontinued expect this time they didn't overlap the subdials too much.

Definitely hoping to see this watch in person as well.



Title: Re: Any Zenith Lovers?
Post by: uncle_ray on July 04, 2021, 12:29:58 PM

Really curious how the new A386 stacks up against the A384 which I begin to find a tad small. The reverse panda would be an interesting complement to the A384.

Again, still wish the date window was somewhere else or removed.

Change of the chrono seconds is interesting but still the running seconds dial at 9 should have been a different color font instead of white on grey which is a but harder to see.

Otherwise it does look like some of the older El Primero models which was discontinued expect this time they didn't overlap the subdials too much.

Definitely hoping to see this watch in person as well.
Do try the ladder bracelet on the A384. Gives it more presence and does feel a bit bigger than on a strap (since it fills up the straight lugs and shows more steel 'surface'). I too felt the A384 looks smaller on leather, but not necessarily a bad thing in my books lah.

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