Post by: anson Duncan on November 10, 2018, 07:57:48 PM
Which omega speedmaster is the best to buy for keep?
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Post by: freefighter on November 11, 2018, 08:16:07 AM
If you're aiming to buy to keep as an investment, recommend not buying watches. Period.
But if you're buying with the goal that you 'feel' you will keep it for a very long time, then any Speedmaster that you personally like the look off coz its a personal thing.
If you're buying with the horological and historical value, then it has to be the Speedmaster Professional Moonwatch with Hesalite.
Feel free to check out my Instagram. Have written 8 short articles on Speedmasters:
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Post by: Tulip on November 11, 2018, 09:02:59 AM
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Post by: D'Andy on November 11, 2018, 04:39:04 PM
If you're aiming to buy to keep as an investment, recommend not buying watches. Period.
I would fathom a guess that the TS was asking for a piece that would preferably appreciate over time while it was in his collection, whether to wear as a beater or in rotation. As a matter of fact, as a serial flipper with a tendency to buy in bundle deals over time, I would say that some models make great collectible pieces and do appreciate better than FD rates over the last few years.
For Omega, I find that the Moonwatch tend to hold its prices better than its diver counterparts. And amongst the Moonwatch, some of the limited edition ones e.g. Ultraman, CK2998, Snoopy, Apollo, Gemini, Moon2Mars, Alaska, and Mitsukoshi were the ones that tend to appreciate over time as could be easily checked at sites such as C24. Be prepared to go at a premium over RRP for these pieces, but given that these pieces were following the trends as seen on some Rolex sports models, it would still be worth-while.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Eokd1rhKMTs/W9J7Mnq6PkI/AAAAAAAAONI/eeUi6DtoZY0o7kEyvpyO0xNTLNIvKFbjACLcBGAs/s640/Screen%2BShot%2B2018-10-26%2Bat%2B10.05.43%2BAM.png)
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If it was merely for a daily beater and the TS wanted a low entry-cost, then the basic Moonwatch Pro was the way to go. However, it would not appreciate like the LE above and tend to depreciate even, so do try to get it at as high a discount as possible. I liked wearing new pieces and flipping them thereafter; and with this base model, I know that it was easy to get and could be gotten at a good discount (you need to maintain a good relationship with ADs though), so there was less pressure on babying the piece. Or models like TinTin, which was interesting yet relatively inexpensive pre-owned, would be a good beater watch too.
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Post by: Tulip on November 11, 2018, 05:29:16 PM
If you're aiming to buy to keep as an investment, recommend not buying watches. Period.
I would fathom a guess that the TS was asking for a piece that would preferably appreciate over time while it was in his collection, whether to wear as a beater or in rotation. As a matter of fact, as a serial flipper with a tendency to buy in bundle deals over time, I would say that some models make great collectible pieces and do appreciate better than FD rates over the last few years.
For Omega, I find that the Moonwatch tend to hold its prices better than its diver counterparts. And amongst the Moonwatch, some of the limited edition ones e.g. Ultraman, CK2998, Snoopy, Apollo, Gemini, Moon2Mars, Alaska, and Mitsukoshi were the ones that tend to appreciate over time as could be easily checked at sites such as C24. Be prepared to go at a premium over RRP for these pieces, but given that these pieces were following the trends as seen on some Rolex sports models, it would still be worth-while.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Eokd1rhKMTs/W9J7Mnq6PkI/AAAAAAAAONI/eeUi6DtoZY0o7kEyvpyO0xNTLNIvKFbjACLcBGAs/s640/Screen%2BShot%2B2018-10-26%2Bat%2B10.05.43%2BAM.png)
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If it was merely for a daily beater and the TS wanted a low entry-cost, then the basic Moonwatch Pro was the way to go. However, it would not appreciate like the LE above and tend to depreciate even, so do try to get it at as high a discount as possible. I liked wearing new pieces and flipping them thereafter; and with this base model, I know that it was easy to get and could be gotten at a good discount (you need to maintain a good relationship with ADs though), so there was less pressure on babying the piece. Or models like TinTin, which was interesting yet relatively inexpensive pre-owned, would be a good beater watch too.
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Post by: freefighter on November 11, 2018, 06:28:15 PM
What you need to know is Omega knows this and is going to continue churning limited editions like nobody’s business. As such only those established flippers in the market with very good AD relationships can get these pieces at discounts worth considering the flip. Keep in mind you will also have to beat the established flippers to these ADs who have the one piece in their stock.
And how do you build a relationship with the AD? Buy a lot, which isn’t what I believe the OP will be looking to do.
My 2 cents :)
Post by: D'Andy on November 11, 2018, 07:00:27 PM
For instance, I was placed under the WL for the Ultraman as I hadn't expected the pieces to be reserved and sold-out worldwide in 1+ hours time. And being someone whom loved to get my hands on watches and write about them, my only avenue was to get from grey resellers. At a premium, yes but I wasn't too concerned as the local premium was still way lower compared to overseas. Supply and demand, simple economics.
And when other collectors here contacted me as I'm known to be privy to LEs with nice serial nos, I would not hesitate to purchase from them. Why? Because I could easily let go the other piece that I have bought. And I say from experience that when I let go at the premium price I purchased (without factoring the further appreciation from a few weeks' lapse), I have even overseas resellers flying to MY to pick up the pieces. I make no losses and I get to sample 2 Ultraman already. And over time since it's release, I have gone through a few and am getting better and better serial nos. Ditto with the CK2998.
In a perfect world, everyone whom wants a LE could get a piece of his/her preference of serial no, and at RRP. I personally don't care about premium prices- I know some collectors are indignant and would boycott premium prices, bla bla bla and it's their right to do so. For me, I buy a piece, I get to sample it and write about it, and when I want to flip it on to accommodate other pieces, it's easier to do so with choice pieces.
That was why I reasoned that if the TS wanted a Moonwatch as a beater, just go for the base model. But if capital appreciation was in his mind or he wanted something that could be off-loaded easily, then it's better to stick to the choice LEs.
Post by: freefighter on November 11, 2018, 07:10:19 PM
So to advise the OP to gamble on LEs without the knowledge and experience an experienced collector and trader like you may have may be ill advised.
Again I say this with a lot of respect to you as a respected member of the Malaysian watch community. It takes a lot of hard work and passion to reach where you have reached :)
Post by: anson Duncan on November 11, 2018, 07:49:29 PM
If you're aiming to buy to keep as an investment, recommend not buying watches. Period.
I would fathom a guess that the TS was asking for a piece that would preferably appreciate over time while it was in his collection, whether to wear as a beater or in rotation. As a matter of fact, as a serial flipper with a tendency to buy in bundle deals over time, I would say that some models make great collectible pieces and do appreciate better than FD rates over the last few years.
For Omega, I find that the Moonwatch tend to hold its prices better than its diver counterparts. And amongst the Moonwatch, some of the limited edition ones e.g. Ultraman, CK2998, Snoopy, Apollo, Gemini, Moon2Mars, Alaska, and Mitsukoshi were the ones that tend to appreciate over time as could be easily checked at sites such as C24. Be prepared to go at a premium over RRP for these pieces, but given that these pieces were following the trends as seen on some Rolex sports models, it would still be worth-while.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Eokd1rhKMTs/W9J7Mnq6PkI/AAAAAAAAONI/eeUi6DtoZY0o7kEyvpyO0xNTLNIvKFbjACLcBGAs/s640/Screen%2BShot%2B2018-10-26%2Bat%2B10.05.43%2BAM.png)
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FgzBD81s-0s/W3De595XU2I/AAAAAAAANeE/vB9Wfhm-DDMnBD68SzpmkBeluquykbkBgCEwYBhgL/s640/20180809_211020.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EGZwH6FtC_o/W3DgZfY1CBI/AAAAAAAANeU/pTfZRRUsRwgurjmF5UXYdWKbSQ3ZHAS1QCLcBGAs/s640/20180809_211300.jpg)
If it was merely for a daily beater and the TS wanted a low entry-cost, then the basic Moonwatch Pro was the way to go. However, it would not appreciate like the LE above and tend to depreciate even, so do try to get it at as high a discount as possible. I liked wearing new pieces and flipping them thereafter; and with this base model, I know that it was easy to get and could be gotten at a good discount (you need to maintain a good relationship with ADs though), so there was less pressure on babying the piece. Or models like TinTin, which was interesting yet relatively inexpensive pre-owned, would be a good beater watch too.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dF6_mTlhtr8/W96YU3eL_2I/AAAAAAAAORo/5z7VmpkWDvMGoLBPQyp83HccbuzKdDN7ACLcBGAs/s640/20181103_171900.jpg)
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I thought there is a few type of moon watch series ?
Sorry that I was not really familiar with omega watches
Like dato Andy mention e.g. Ultraman, CK2998, Snoopy, Apollo, Gemini, Moon2Mars, Alaska, and Mitsukoshi
Post by: freefighter on November 11, 2018, 08:32:05 PM
There are actually quite a few.
The one that bro D’Andy and I are referring to that you can get for a good price particularly coz of availability both new and pre owned market is the Speedmaster Professional Moonwatch.
https://www.omegawatches.com/en-us/watch-omega-speedmaster-moonwatch-professional-chronograph-42-mm-31130423001005
However there are a lot of Speedmasters. Even the Moonwatch category has a few variants as you can see from the website.
Post by: dpkong on November 12, 2018, 10:17:49 AM
I prefer to think that in the pictures above, only the last one is a Moonwatch. The others where there are changes to the colours, sub-dial backgrounds etc are simply tributes or LE.
And the rest which aren't tributes or LE are simply Speedmasters
Post by: r3kahsttub on November 12, 2018, 12:25:39 PM
When it comes to Speedmaster, you should not go wrong with the standard Moonwatch (I cannot remember the current reference number; too long!) which is sold on either Hesalite or Sapphire. Between the two, my preference would be the Hesalite, which is "truer" to the original Speedmaster which landed on the moon.
With limited editions, Omega (like Panerai before this), tends to drop an LE several times in a year. Not all will carry the same hype, so again, if you're looking to buy an LE Omega, please at least make sure you like it. Because when you can't sell it, hey at least you can wear it.
Just as a reference, in the not too distant past, Omegas never used to resell at the rate they are going for today. Hype and perceived value, demand out weighing supply, that's all it is. Just because the asking rate outside of Malaysia is x value, does not mean that the same watch can sell for the same price here. In Thailand for example, there are fewer Omega enthusiasts (as far as I know). Then there's Singapore, which had one of the highest Ultraman deliveries in the world.
Post by: anson Duncan on November 12, 2018, 01:03:21 PM
It's always a part of my hobbies and I love it all
I just wanted an omega speed master to be added to my collection
For Daily beater and not for flip
Post by: D'Andy on November 12, 2018, 01:16:29 PM
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I have flipped a couple of these so you could swing by my watch blog to get an indication of the discount to negotiate for during your purchase. Easily-available at most ADs and boutiques, you would find that this would be a good addition to your collection :Cheers:
But be fore-warned that once you go this route, you are going to want to get the LEs and you would find your wallets thinning down and your collection building up. I know, for my wallet is rather thin too after dabbling in this hobby :Laughing_on_floor:
Post by: Tulip on November 12, 2018, 01:23:50 PM
In that case, go for the basic Moonwatch Pro in my last picture. Personally, I prefer the most basic hesalite crystal version compared to the sapphire crystal. This has the lowest entry cost, comes with a nice presentation box, and well, could be gotten at a rather healthy discount.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HUlt8zALnaE/WqwwqnEG25I/AAAAAAAALnc/pvOkHQ_UQPQMjY7yOAITjhWDg6hu5pi9ACLcBGAs/s640/Screen%2BShot%2B2018-03-17%2Bat%2B4.53.23%2BAM.png)
I have flipped a couple of these so you could swing by my watch blog to get an indication of the discount to negotiate for during your purchase. Easily-available at most ADs and boutiques, you would find that this would be a good addition to your collection :Cheers:
But be fore-warned that once you go this route, you are going to want to get the LEs and you would find your wallets thinning down and your collection building up. I know, for my wallet is rather thin too after dabbling in this hobby :Laughing_on_floor:
100% agree with your last paragraph ... it is addictive
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Post by: D'Andy on November 12, 2018, 01:25:12 PM
Or make that, space shuttle...
Post by: Enkidu on November 12, 2018, 02:38:57 PM
I don't treat watches as an investmentGo get one this evening!!!
It's always a part of my hobbies and I love it all
I just wanted an omega speed master to be added to my collection
For Daily beater and not for flip
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Post by: anson Duncan on November 12, 2018, 03:08:20 PM
In that case, go for the basic Moonwatch Pro in my last picture. Personally, I prefer the most basic hesalite crystal version compared to the sapphire crystal. This has the lowest entry cost, comes with a nice presentation box, and well, could be gotten at a rather healthy discount.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HUlt8zALnaE/WqwwqnEG25I/AAAAAAAALnc/pvOkHQ_UQPQMjY7yOAITjhWDg6hu5pi9ACLcBGAs/s640/Screen%2BShot%2B2018-03-17%2Bat%2B4.53.23%2BAM.png)
I have flipped a couple of these so you could swing by my watch blog to get an indication of the discount to negotiate for during your purchase. Easily-available at most ADs and boutiques, you would find that this would be a good addition to your collection :Cheers:
But be fore-warned that once you go this route, you are going to want to get the LEs and you would find your wallets thinning down and your collection building up. I know, for my wallet is rather thin too after dabbling in this hobby :Laughing_on_floor:
I would google online to make some research
Is that omega speed master 1861 or 1863?
Post by: anson Duncan on November 12, 2018, 03:10:38 PM
Post by: freefighter on November 12, 2018, 03:31:40 PM
The 1861 is for the hesalite (plastic) crystal Moonwatch with the reference number ending with 005. It has a steel case back and is the most authentic replica of the original moon watch.In that case, go for the basic Moonwatch Pro in my last picture. Personally, I prefer the most basic hesalite crystal version compared to the sapphire crystal. This has the lowest entry cost, comes with a nice presentation box, and well, could be gotten at a rather healthy discount.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HUlt8zALnaE/WqwwqnEG25I/AAAAAAAALnc/pvOkHQ_UQPQMjY7yOAITjhWDg6hu5pi9ACLcBGAs/s640/Screen%2BShot%2B2018-03-17%2Bat%2B4.53.23%2BAM.png)
I have flipped a couple of these so you could swing by my watch blog to get an indication of the discount to negotiate for during your purchase. Easily-available at most ADs and boutiques, you would find that this would be a good addition to your collection :Cheers:
But be fore-warned that once you go this route, you are going to want to get the LEs and you would find your wallets thinning down and your collection building up. I know, for my wallet is rather thin too after dabbling in this hobby :Laughing_on_floor:
I would google online to make some research
Is that omega speed master 1861 or 1863?
The 1863 has a reference number ending with 006 and comes with the sapphire crystal and with the sapphire caseback. It has a slightly higher price and purists usually don’t like this so much. Hope this helps!
Welcome in advance to the speedmaster club ahhaha !
Post by: freefighter on November 12, 2018, 04:00:20 PM
How much discount can I get from AD?Recommend you shop around and just ask. Given this model of Speedmaster is a regular production model, I think you will get a better deal from ADs (carrying multi brands) vs Omega boutiques
Post by: dpkong on November 12, 2018, 04:40:35 PM
The 1861 is for the hesalite (plastic) crystal Moonwatch with the reference number ending with 005. It has a steel case back and is the most authentic replica of the original moon watch.In that case, go for the basic Moonwatch Pro in my last picture. Personally, I prefer the most basic hesalite crystal version compared to the sapphire crystal. This has the lowest entry cost, comes with a nice presentation box, and well, could be gotten at a rather healthy discount.
I have flipped a couple of these so you could swing by my watch blog to get an indication of the discount to negotiate for during your purchase. Easily-available at most ADs and boutiques, you would find that this would be a good addition to your collection :Cheers:
But be fore-warned that once you go this route, you are going to want to get the LEs and you would find your wallets thinning down and your collection building up. I know, for my wallet is rather thin too after dabbling in this hobby :Laughing_on_floor:
I would google online to make some research
Is that omega speed master 1861 or 1863?
The 1863 has a reference number ending with 006 and comes with the sapphire crystal and with the sapphire caseback. It has a slightly higher price and purists usually don’t like this so much. Hope this helps!
Welcome in advance to the speedmaster club ahhaha !
Although some might consider the hesalite model more true, I'd say go for 1863 to get the sapphire dome crystal and transparent caseback. Looks like the original thing when on the wrist but you get to see the movement and sapphire doesn't scratch as easily.
Post by: r3kahsttub on November 12, 2018, 04:58:51 PM
Congratulations in advance on your purchase, looking forward to your wristshots!
Post by: Tulip on November 12, 2018, 05:38:47 PM
Hahaha, I recognise a collector in the same boat then :Cheers:
Or make that, space shuttle...
I am a beginner but already addicted .. is there a rehab center for this kind of addiction?
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Post by: dpkong on November 12, 2018, 06:49:50 PM
Hahaha, I recognise a collector in the same boat then :Cheers:
Or make that, space shuttle...
I am a beginner but already addicted .. is there a rehab center for this kind of addiction?
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Hanging around watch forums is the worst idea if you're looking for rehab. If you're standing on a ledge hesitating, we're the first to push you over.
What you need next is a Speedmaster, maybe a Racing model...
Post by: Tulip on November 12, 2018, 07:00:04 PM
Hahaha, I recognise a collector in the same boat then :Cheers:
Or make that, space shuttle...
I am a beginner but already addicted .. is there a rehab center for this kind of addiction?
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Hanging around watch forums is the worst idea if you're looking for rehab. If you're standing on a ledge hesitating, we're the first to push you over.
What you need next is a Speedmaster, maybe a Racing model...
My bank account is temporary closed until further notice. No more watches for me this year
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Post by: ver1600d on November 12, 2018, 08:24:13 PM
Post by: Henry T on November 13, 2018, 05:52:44 AM
You can choose from the latest model or go vintage.
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Post by: Ben07 on February 07, 2019, 11:05:50 AM
Hahaha, I recognise a collector in the same boat then :Cheers:
Or make that, space shuttle...
Lol Indeed. After wearing my Moonwatch for the past 2 months I am craving for more especially when you keep posting the LEs in your blog. The Speedy Pro is so easy to wear (no date complication) and can be dressed up or down.
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Post by: Ben07 on February 08, 2019, 01:24:39 PM
Post by: derick93 on February 08, 2019, 02:14:03 PM
Hi all expert sifus
Which omega speedmaster is the best to buy for keep?
Obviously is Ultramen! :Dancing_banana:
Post by: 2Dragon on February 15, 2019, 02:46:20 PM
Post by: max1984 on March 13, 2019, 09:07:36 AM