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Title: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: Yikkie on October 07, 2013, 05:13:39 PM
...and on the flip side, which watches or brands do you think is undeserving of our hard earned cash.  Please try not to  :HammerHead: each other.  We are just here to share our opinion.

To get the 'heat' started...my vote has got to go to Hublot for being oversized, overblinked and overpriced with mostly uninspiring slightly modified ETA movements.
Title: Re: Worst value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: RaymondT on October 07, 2013, 05:22:47 PM
Graham? Don't  :HammerHead: me pls :Praying:
Title: Re: Worst value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: hanz079 on October 07, 2013, 05:36:43 PM
Romain Jerome....  :D
Title: Re: Worst value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: hooidcaster on October 07, 2013, 06:18:45 PM
Designer's brand like Coach, Burberry, LV, etc.. All I can see is, price for their brand.. There's nothing special about their movement or history of the watch itself, other than designer's name of the watch itself.. and pls don't kill me..  :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
Title: Re: Worst value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: STT1987 on October 07, 2013, 06:26:49 PM
This will not end well....
 :Blue:
Title: Re: Worst value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: nazren on October 07, 2013, 06:38:15 PM
Topic of the month....
Title: Re: Worst value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: hanz079 on October 07, 2013, 07:20:48 PM
This will not end well....
 :Blue:

Let's hope not...
Title: Re: Worst value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: Yikkie on October 07, 2013, 07:22:58 PM
This will not end well....
 :Blue:
...especially if someone is 'brave' enough to mention the 'famous' Italian brand that starts with a P and ends with an I on this thread.   :o
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: JOS2012 on October 07, 2013, 07:44:05 PM

hahaha... a topic that will win Topic of the Year 2013 overtaking the other famous thread :Laughing_on_floor:
Quick we have until Dec 31st to make this da winner.... ;D
Title: Re: Worst value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: el118 on October 07, 2013, 07:51:06 PM
This will not end well....
 :Blue:
...especially if someone is 'brave' enough to mention the 'famous' Italian brand that starts with a P and ends with an I on this thread.   :o

This is too obvious bro..
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: Everdying on October 07, 2013, 08:33:45 PM
anything more than rm1k.
Title: Re: Worst value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: Yikkie on October 07, 2013, 09:02:42 PM
This will not end well....
 :Blue:
...especially if someone is 'brave' enough to mention the 'famous' Italian brand that starts with a P and ends with an I on this thread.   :o

This is too obvious bro..
Obvious meh? I was talking about Pirelli watches!  :Laughing_on_floor:
(http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s643/yikkie23/d1b4ada56266c2d724170f67af86028a_zps7c8ea8b5.jpg)
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: AsherLim on October 07, 2013, 09:05:01 PM
Anything quartz that costs more than RM1k. Ok, maybe with the exception of G-shocks. :P
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: chrisyen on October 07, 2013, 09:57:11 PM
Bling bling watches
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: dpkong on October 07, 2013, 10:42:15 PM
anything more than rm1k.

No.. you will not be killed for this statement, you will be CRUCIFIED!

 :Laughing_on_floor:
Title: Re: Worst value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: windstruckk on October 07, 2013, 11:14:24 PM
Designer's brand like Coach, Burberry, LV, etc.. All I can see is, price for their brand.. There's nothing special about their movement or history of the watch itself, other than designer's name of the watch itself.. and pls don't kill me..  :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
Agreed. Same goes to Porsche Design and Ferrari higher-priced watches. Thou they are the luxury brands in automobile industry but when it comes to watches, they won't fair well.   ;D
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: windstruckk on October 07, 2013, 11:29:16 PM
In my college days I once bought a Tommy H. "moonphase" watch and the next week it has fog under the glass by just sitting in my air-conditioned car...
So i thought it could be replaced by sending it to the AD I bought it from (CT Chen MV) and they said it is not exchangeable for a new piece.

Fine, I just left it with them and after a long time they ask me to collect it and guess what? The next day it still FOGGED. Piss as heck I went to the service center myself and ask them to get it fixed. And ding dong ding another month passed by and finally the SC said it was fixed with new gasket and bla bla bla. That week itself, the freaking watch fogged again.

From that point onwards, I swear not to touch any of Dummy Hefigure products anymore.
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: nasa on October 07, 2013, 11:46:40 PM
I would say Ball BMW watches...Overpriced because of the Beemer logo..& i'm quite a Ball fan actually.. :Confused:
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: JOS2012 on October 07, 2013, 11:50:59 PM
Bad value for money is very subjective, relative and personal.
If I had an inheritance/windfall of RM 100 Million or more, I'd buy not only high horology watches costing 6 or 7 figures but also every single watch that caught my passing fancy but those would most prolly get thrown out or given away the next day without blinking when the interest wore off on me. Every watch to me then would be value for money coz I have lotss of it.
Ok , ok, I exaggerate…

Since most of us or rather 98.0% or 99.9% of us could never buy every single watch model that we wished to own... we already have enough problems owning that 1% of watches we liked without listing out the other 99% that we didn’t like.

Having said that I'd still have a list of some brands off the back of my head that I can’t see myself ever buying into with my own hard earned money based on their CURRENT DNA/price points to-date. Some of these brands previously had impressive chronological achievements but had gone bankrupt in 70’s and subsequently bought over by investors where some OEMed their watches to the many independent Swiss ateliers if not China/HK/Malaysia/Singapore factories. Some are completely new upstarts. Some are just copy cats. Some ride on 'hard to prove or disprove' links to aviation,military,famous ships,planes, what have you. Some are pure marketing spin. Some are jewelers that focus on precious stones and using an outsourced movement.

In this current day and time with CNC machines, CAD/CAM, laser etching, DRIE, etc, its almost difficult to find poor quality or watches that don’t work reasonably well. Rather it’s about finding watches that have their own ‘special or unique qualities’ whether revolutionary or high horology complications/movements, exotic materials, exceptional horological performance, etc, i.e. their very own brand DNA, not copies of other brands or followers of current trends.

Although I have a list of those brands in my mind, I am always conscious that one must 'never say never' coz things are almost always fluid..
If and when a new owner takes over, the DNA of that brand could change invariably or take a new direction.
An example that comes to mind is Cartier. From long way back, Cartier to me was just an expensive jeweler that also made watches, focusing more on the design & artistic element but using e-bauches ranging from JLC, Piquet to run of the mill ETAs. Yes, there were some exceptional made to order pieces but these were one off. With Carole Forestier-Kasapi's entry sometime 2000, they have moved towards designing and manufacturing many new in-house high complications. Just too bad their premiums are very high where there are equally capable manufactures offering better price/value ratio.

Of course this is only MY choice and opinion. Everyone has their right to their choice and opinion, too.

I believe that 'we should always agree to disagree' without being personal.
And if you don't agree to that, I’m ok with it, too.
Title: Re: Worst value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: Enkidu on October 08, 2013, 11:09:01 AM
This will not end well....
 :Blue:
...especially if someone is 'brave' enough to mention the 'famous' Italian brand that starts with a P and ends with an I on this thread.   :o

(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg574/loochunboon/Panda_zps549d10cf.jpg) (http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/loochunboon/media/Panda_zps549d10cf.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Worst value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: TheHobbit on October 08, 2013, 11:24:20 AM
This will not end well....
 :Blue:
...especially if someone is 'brave' enough to mention the 'famous' Italian brand that starts with a P and ends with an I on this thread.   :o

(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg574/loochunboon/Panda_zps549d10cf.jpg) (http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/loochunboon/media/Panda_zps549d10cf.jpg.html)

While not wanting this to drag on any further, perhaps you can enlighten us why so?
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: kenji1903 on October 08, 2013, 11:33:09 AM
actually i'm curious as well... p*****i seems like a nice watch... and i think quite in demand too? ???
Title: Re: Worst value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: harkensng on October 08, 2013, 11:43:29 AM
This will not end well....
 :Blue:
...especially if someone is 'brave' enough to mention the 'famous' Italian brand that starts with a P and ends with an I on this thread.   :o

(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg574/loochunboon/Panda_zps549d10cf.jpg) (http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/loochunboon/media/Panda_zps549d10cf.jpg.html)


 :Laughing_on_floor:    :mooning:
Title: Re: Worst value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: el118 on October 08, 2013, 12:16:13 PM
This will not end well....
 :Blue:
...especially if someone is 'brave' enough to mention the 'famous' Italian brand that starts with a P and ends with an I on this thread.   :o

This is too obvious bro..
Obvious meh? I was talking about Pirelli watches!  :Laughing_on_floor:

This is good one! ;D
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: Godzillaz on October 08, 2013, 01:48:28 PM
A watch that you don't like to wear after you bought it is bad value for money.

We can all talk bad things about other models/brands/designs but how many of us really have first hand experience of the watch/brand we mention here.

Have the owner in mind before we breakout hurtful statement that doesn't explain why it's not value for money but just plain bashing. I don't see that has anything to do with watch collecting as a hobby.

Regard
Tyler
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: TwoSolitudes on October 08, 2013, 05:09:27 PM
Franck Muller: Outrageous prices for pretty simple movements on most models. I like some of the designs, but really really bad value.

I will second Hublot not a lot of value there for sure.


The famous Italian P brand is not good or bad value for me. They are right in the middle. You sure aren't getting better value than some others in the same price range, but you do get great movements original unique design and high quality.
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: Calibr on October 08, 2013, 05:16:20 PM
If the "famous Italian P brand" refers to Panerai, then by all means say the name. Being an international forum, there should be no fear in mentioning names in expressing an opinion, as long as we keep to the forum rules..
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: hanz079 on October 08, 2013, 05:40:36 PM
If the "famous Italian P brand" refers to Panerai, then by all means say the name. Being an international forum, there should be no fear in mentioning names in expressing an opinion, as long as we keep to the forum rules..
I agree...
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: Yikkie on October 08, 2013, 05:41:41 PM
If the "famous Italian P brand" refers to Panerai, then by all means say the name. Being an international forum, there should be no fear in mentioning names in expressing an opinion, as long as we keep to the forum rules..
It is like the fear of mentioning Lord Voldemort - He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named.  :Laughing_on_floor:
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: pexus on October 08, 2013, 08:31:29 PM

Any watch that you end up letting go with a huge dent on resale price is bad value....Especially if the reason of letting go is impulsive purchase after seeing some unrealistic photos or listening to some convincing sales pitch....

If you purchased a grail after a proper period of consideration and research, and end up loving that piece for a long time, its good value as it brings you happiness everyday.  Doesnt matter how much you paid for it and how low the after sale price is
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: GMTmaster on October 08, 2013, 09:57:14 PM
pexus : you actually posted the above reply to answer two different threads. The following statement explained BAD VALUE FOR MONEY.


Any watch that you end up letting go with a huge dent on resale price is bad value....Especially if the reason of letting go is impulsive purchase after seeing some unrealistic photos or listening to some convincing sales pitch....


While the following statement answers the BEST VALUE FOR MONEY.  :thumbsup:


If you purchased a grail after a proper period of consideration and research, and end up loving that piece for a long time, its good value as it brings you happiness everyday.  Doesnt matter how much you paid for it and how low the after sale price is

I personally admire the second statement. Because you wear the watch as you love them and keep flipping watches doesn't show your appreciation (or understanding) towards your collections. MHO.
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: pexus on October 08, 2013, 10:41:29 PM
GMT Master (nice nick name..i like... ;D:
I am learning through experience also....fortunately my `tuition fees' were not that high. :P...
yearned for a orange PO after looking at seeing too many gorgeous pics on the internet...
...When i finally got it, the love affair lasted for about 8 months before i decided that a sub is better.. :-\...The rest is history....Out went the PO, in went the sub....
Fortunately, I got the PO at a good discount due to stock clearance and was able to find a buyer who really appreciate the watch to cushion some of the loss...
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: ndtaan on October 08, 2013, 10:51:16 PM
I personally don't think that is such a thing as a,"bad value for money watch"
As all of us knows that all watches in the market today will appeal to someone out there,even if it is only the designer/creator himself.
What might be a "bad value" will be a "good value" for the person who bought it and vice versa.
So obviously everyone on this planet so says that a watch is "bad value" for the simple reason cos he's not buying it and if he's buying it then it's "good value"
So we can argue till the cows come home and all we get is a bad taste in the mouth cos someone,somewhere out there will say that the beloved watch that you just paid a small fortune on is,"BAD VALUE FOR MONEY WATCH"

 
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: Yikkie on October 09, 2013, 12:31:11 AM
I personally don't think that is such a thing as a,"bad value for money watch"
As all of us knows that all watches in the market today will appeal to someone out there,even if it is only the designer/creator himself.
What might be a "bad value" will be a "good value" for the person who bought it and vice versa.
So obviously everyone on this planet so says that a watch is "bad value" for the simple reason cos he's not buying it and if he's buying it then it's "good value"
So we can argue till the cows come home and all we get is a bad taste in the mouth cos someone,somewhere out there will say that the beloved watch that you just paid a small fortune on is,"BAD VALUE FOR MONEY WATCH"

 
It is almost like saying that there are no bad value products out there just because someone might be buying it.  In that case, the Proton Juara could be considered a great value for money car since there are a few who bought it.  :o Keep in mind that there are many consumers who buy things without doing much research and might end up with something that is simply not worth the money.  I believe that members of this forum are passionate and extremely knowledgeable about the world of horology and will be able to share their expert opinion on the subject. 
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: dpkong on October 09, 2013, 12:47:04 AM
Starting two threads asking about good and bad value is interesting to say the least.

Value for Money for any item really depends on how much expendable money is available to the person concerned.

To some, a Kancil is value for money and yet for others, a BMW might be. Likewise, staying at a B&B inn might satisfy some but others will want no less than a 5 star hotel.

In watches, a Casio may be the answer to some and a Patek Philippe to others. So a G-shock can have all the bells and whistles that only 2% of wearers will use and yet the time and effort put into a Minute Repeater will be of much value to other buyers.

It all depends on how much $$$ one has. As our incomes improve, it is normal that our definition of "value for money" changes as well.

Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: ndtaan on October 09, 2013, 01:02:41 AM
I personally don't think that is such a thing as a,"bad value for money watch"
As all of us knows that all watches in the market today will appeal to someone out there,even if it is only the designer/creator himself.
What might be a "bad value" will be a "good value" for the person who bought it and vice versa.
So obviously everyone on this planet so says that a watch is "bad value" for the simple reason cos he's not buying it and if he's buying it then it's "good value"
So we can argue till the cows come home and all we get is a bad taste in the mouth cos someone,somewhere out there will say that the beloved watch that you just paid a small fortune on is,"BAD VALUE FOR MONEY WATCH"

 
It is almost like saying that there are no bad value products out there just because someone might be buying it.  In that case, the Proton Juara could be considered a great value for money car since there are a few who bought it.  :o Keep in mind that there are many consumers who buy things without doing much research and might end up with something that is simply not worth the money.  I believe that members of this forum are passionate and extremely knowledgeable about the world of horology and will be able to share their expert opinion on the subject.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say.
A Proton Juara will be considered a great value for money to those who bought it.
Bear in mind that we're talking about watches that are hundreds if not thousands of ringgit.
And I think that we are not in a position to say eg. a Frank Muller watch is "bad value for money".Do you know how ridiculous we sound?.
But if you say "bad value for MY money" than I think that's acceptable cos you're referring to your ability to purchase it.


Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: Yikkie on October 09, 2013, 01:56:17 AM
I personally don't think that is such a thing as a,"bad value for money watch"
As all of us knows that all watches in the market today will appeal to someone out there,even if it is only the designer/creator himself.
What might be a "bad value" will be a "good value" for the person who bought it and vice versa.
So obviously everyone on this planet so says that a watch is "bad value" for the simple reason cos he's not buying it and if he's buying it then it's "good value"
So we can argue till the cows come home and all we get is a bad taste in the mouth cos someone,somewhere out there will say that the beloved watch that you just paid a small fortune on is,"BAD VALUE FOR MONEY WATCH"

 
It is almost like saying that there are no bad value products out there just because someone might be buying it.  In that case, the Proton Juara could be considered a great value for money car since there are a few who bought it.  :o Keep in mind that there are many consumers who buy things without doing much research and might end up with something that is simply not worth the money.  I believe that members of this forum are passionate and extremely knowledgeable about the world of horology and will be able to share their expert opinion on the subject.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say.
A Proton Juara will be considered a great value for money to those who bought it.
Bear in mind that we're talking about watches that are hundreds if not thousands of ringgit.
And I think that we are not in a position to say eg. a Frank Muller watch is "bad value for money".Do you know how ridiculous we sound?.
But if you say "bad value for MY money" than I think that's acceptable cos you're referring to your ability to purchase it.

Those who bought the Juara must have liked it for some reason but does that make it a good car just because someone bought it? Anyone who bought a Juara must be kicking themselves now as the car is worthless in the used market and labeled as the ugliest and most unreliable car ever made by Proton...or by any car manufacturers.

Why is it that we are not in a position to say that Frank Muller is bad value for money?...and why does it sound ridiculous by saying so? Are you suggesting that we do not have the capability to buy it and hence have no rights to comment about it? If that is what you meant, you are dead wrong my friend.  I really hope I misunderstood you for your sake.

It goes without saying that everyone is airing their own personal point of view and that pretty much makes it a "Bad value for MY money" posting.

Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: ndtaan on October 09, 2013, 07:54:42 AM
I personally don't think that is such a thing as a,"bad value for money watch"
As all of us knows that all watches in the market today will appeal to someone out there,even if it is only the designer/creator himself.
What might be a "bad value" will be a "good value" for the person who bought it and vice versa.
So obviously everyone on this planet so says that a watch is "bad value" for the simple reason cos he's not buying it and if he's buying it then it's "good value"
So we can argue till the cows come home and all we get is a bad taste in the mouth cos someone,somewhere out there will say that the beloved watch that you just paid a small fortune on is,"BAD VALUE FOR MONEY WATCH"

 
It is almost like saying that there are no bad value products out there just because someone might be buying it.  In that case, the Proton Juara could be considered a great value for money car since there are a few who bought it.  :o Keep in mind that there are many consumers who buy things without doing much research and might end up with something that is simply not worth the money.  I believe that members of this forum are passionate and extremely knowledgeable about the world of horology and will be able to share their expert opinion on the subject.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say.
A Proton Juara will be considered a great value for money to those who bought it.
Bear in mind that we're talking about watches that are hundreds if not thousands of ringgit.
And I think that we are not in a position to say eg. a Frank Muller watch is "bad value for money".Do you know how ridiculous we sound?.
But if you say "bad value for MY money" than I think that's acceptable cos you're referring to your ability to purchase it.

Those who bought the Juara must have liked it for some reason but does that make it a good car just because someone bought it? Anyone who bought a Juara must be kicking themselves now as the car is worthless in the used market and labeled as the ugliest and most unreliable car ever made by Proton...or by any car manufacturers.

Why is it that we are not in a position to say that Frank Muller is bad value for money?...and why does it sound ridiculous by saying so? Are you suggesting that we do not have the capability to buy it and hence have no rights to comment about it? If that is what you meant, you are dead wrong my friend.  I really hope I misunderstood you for your sake.

It goes without saying that everyone is airing their own personal point of view and that pretty much makes it a "Bad value for MY money" posting.

I don't think you get my point in my reply.
It's my opinion so don't take personally it's unbecoming.
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: Yikkie on October 09, 2013, 09:12:58 AM
This is a public forum. You are entitled to your opinion.  It is also merely your opinion (or illusion) that I am taking this personally.  I was just asking you to clarify your statement so that we could understand the point that you were trying to make.  I rest my case.
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: ndtaan on October 09, 2013, 09:15:13 AM
This is a public forum. You are entitled to your opinion.  It is also merely your opinion (or illusion) that I am taking this personally.  I was just asking you to clarify your statement so that we could understand the point that you were trying to make.  I rest my case.
Have a nice day
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: swleong on October 09, 2013, 10:09:40 AM
ToyWatch is bad value for money in my opinion, though they give life-time free servicing.....

Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: kenji1903 on October 09, 2013, 10:25:37 AM
ToyWatch is bad value for money in my opinion, though they give life-time free servicing.....
i saw ToyWatch shops first in Pavilion, then in Gardens... what's so special about the watches?
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: swleong on October 09, 2013, 10:30:48 AM
ToyWatch is bad value for money in my opinion, though they give life-time free servicing.....
i saw ToyWatch shops first in Pavilion, then in Gardens... what's so special about the watches?

Their watches mostly 'mimicking' the design DNAs of other watches, and rojak them togerther with funky plastic and a touch of 'toy magic dust'......some celebrities love it though
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: STT1987 on October 09, 2013, 12:14:56 PM
ToyWatch is bad value for money in my opinion, though they give life-time free servicing.....
i saw ToyWatch shops first in Pavilion, then in Gardens... what's so special about the watches?

Anybody who buys a watch with the name "Toywatch" knows exactly what they are getting and the "value" of such a thing. To a serious watch lover or WIS - this brand does not even show up on our radar except as gifts given to us.
::)  ;D  :D

The question of "value" does not figure into the equation IMO. 
 :Laughing_on_floor:
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: kenji1903 on October 09, 2013, 03:05:21 PM
ToyWatch is bad value for money in my opinion, though they give life-time free servicing.....
i saw ToyWatch shops first in Pavilion, then in Gardens... what's so special about the watches?

Their watches mostly 'mimicking' the design DNAs of other watches, and rojak them togerther with funky plastic and a touch of 'toy magic dust'......some celebrities love it though
man... you are right! some looks like a Sub, some like a Carrera :Laughing_on_floor:
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: kenji1903 on October 09, 2013, 03:08:04 PM
ToyWatch is bad value for money in my opinion, though they give life-time free servicing.....
i saw ToyWatch shops first in Pavilion, then in Gardens... what's so special about the watches?

Anybody who buys a watch with the name "Toywatch" knows exactly what they are getting and the "value" of such a thing. To a serious watch lover or WIS - this brand does not even show up on our radar except as gifts given to us.
::)  ;D  :D

The question of "value" does not figure into the equation IMO. 
 :Laughing_on_floor:
it looks like a toy, feels like a toy, but its a watch ;D
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: jason_recliner on October 11, 2013, 08:26:45 AM
Anything quartz that costs more than RM1k. Ok, maybe with the exception of G-shocks. :P

It's interesting how we all perceive value differently.  A used quartz Aquaracer 500 m is, IMO, one of the best value dive watches around US$750-1k, alongside a used Tuna SBBN015. 

Speaking of Seiko, generally speaking I feel that their watches, dollar for dollar, offer tremendous value at every price point up to arround US$10k.  Above that level, with the gold L.E. GS models and Spacewalk and such, they start to lose the plot.

Citizen make some of the best value watches, too, and are unequalled when it comes to great quartz technology in fine cases at reasonable pricepoints (e.g JDM Attesa).
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: Timeless on November 04, 2013, 10:24:42 AM
I think if u treasure the watch like gf or buddy, the value are always there.
Vice versa, it will become valueless no matter how expensive it is.
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: e1fnd on November 04, 2013, 08:29:36 PM
I would say Ball BMW watches...Overpriced because of the Beemer logo..& i'm quite a Ball fan actually.. :Confused:

This I have to agree... And due to it's prestige or special edition, you will get a bmw-key-like usb drive. Not too sure if a lot of these sold...
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: el118 on November 07, 2013, 09:00:48 PM
I would say Ball BMW watches...Overpriced because of the Beemer logo..& i'm quite a Ball fan actually.. :Confused:

This I have to agree... And due to it's prestige or special edition, you will get a bmw-key-like usb drive. Not too sure if a lot of these sold...

At least the "manly" ultimate driving machine got "Balls"
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: Cocas on June 06, 2016, 10:53:05 PM
Panerai, 7Friday, Louis Erard.
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: adamjohari on June 07, 2016, 07:58:05 AM
Controversial topic.

Nonetheless, I think it depends on who you are and how you value watches. For me, I think Rolex is a bad for value watch.  :Scolding: "Bring on the hate". I think their movements are just "meh" at best, their 904L steel and ceramic bezel are gimmicks and that everyone has one. At my brother in law's wedding, more than 6 people had a Rolex. Doesn't make me feel special to own one to be honest.

Similarly, someone might say that a brand that I like, for example, JLC, isn't a good value for money. The finishing of a JLC isn't up to par with the likes of the holy trinity and I've heard some horrendous stories of their repair jobs. Nonetheless, I believe that their movements are top notch and that they've earned the 'watchmaker's watch' moniker.

It's important to get a watch that you like. But, I believe it shows even greater character as a person, to like a watch that everyone hates.  ;D There are no wrongs or right.
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: Kerry1136 on June 07, 2016, 09:55:43 AM
DW ;p
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: D'Andy on June 07, 2016, 10:18:57 AM
So... we are reviving an old thread from back in 2013? Just as well- since it made for fun-reading and let's see how our horological tastes have changed over the last few years  :Cheers:

I tend to be a flipper. I buy, I flip. Sometimes I buy only because it was not possible to get some elusive ones (read : micro-brands) in mortar and brick stores; and would examine, write about them in my blog, and pass them on to fellow collectors. Only a fraction of watches have earned their spots in my winder over the years.

If by bad value-for-money, the TS meant bad resale value, then we were all guilty of getting such watches because honestly, how many of us have actually made monies from getting and flipping new watches (any brands at all)? Getting pre-owned at good prices, that would be a different story though. I used to get good deals from buying overseas, but with the GST and depreciated MYR, that no longer holds true either.

For business-wise, I still think that the good o' Rollie gives more brownie points compared to many other brands in the same price bracket. Everyone recognises the Datejust, Explorer ii, GMT-Master ii, and Submariner. By wearing one, it shows that you have similar discerning tastes, is down-to-earth, and goes for something reliable and dependable. But almost every Tom, Dick and Harry wears one from the aforementioned models in every other meetings that I attended, so if you want to just move off the tangent slightly, you could wear the SD4k or DSSD, and still be within the circle of trust.

Some watches, you tend to get very much value for money due to the low purchase price but armed with dependable ETA/Sellita movement (e.g. my Glycine Combat Sub, Oris Aquis Date, Steinhart Ocean, etc); but the generic diver design inadvertently points to the Rollie Submariner so much that it felt a bit like a poser at times. Sooner or later, it gnaws at you to just wear the real Sub and drop the rest. Some watches, you pay too much for the design, though armed with the robust Miyota movement, which I liked but the movement doesn't cost that much so I felt that the watch price should be lower (e.g. my SevenFriday P3, which was great when I was an early-adopter but now replicated like nobody's business as the Miyota movement is easily available).

For Chrono watches, I always feel that those whom spot an Omega Speedy wears an original and historical design, which shows character. Other watches that pull off the same originality, for me at least, includes the Pam in its base models, Laco/Stowa/IWC/Wempe/Lange with Flieger Type A & B (hand-winding and sans brand), PP with its Nautilus pothole, and B&R with its square flight instrument case. At the end of the day, I think that watches show a glimpse of a person's character so do choose and wear your "personality extension" well  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: asimo on June 07, 2016, 10:20:30 AM
i think certain watches model have much higher profit margins than others such those in productions for many years (cause
the development cost, mold cost, supplies chain established,etc.. investment recouped...),, only certain models
of a particular brand actually bring in the money for the company... certain models subsidies the others...

anyway... in my opinion, my list ...  Gra***, B&*, T**  H****,  M*** B****, Ma***** Lac****,  and many many more...
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: elado249 on June 07, 2016, 10:45:51 AM
I do not think there is a bad value for money watch *except the apple watch* :p..it is subjective. Some people might just buy a rm2k flieger or dive watch, and they are happy. Some people attached with the brand names, some attached coz due to retain value. Here in malaysia we can see the mindset of some people, typical malaysian, if it is about watches it must go with rolex..if it is about cars, then it will be toyota,honda,bimmer,merc. The final say is, you buy what you want and make you happy..do not listen to others. Unless if you are intend to flip the watch later, so go get a rolex

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Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: elado249 on June 07, 2016, 10:50:36 AM
Regarding rolex, in old days, no people wants the daytona, it was a bad seller for them. But today you can see how the trend changed, people now are talking about it, wanna have a piece of it. Watches that we think are bad today might be getting a second chance later :)

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Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: adamjohari on June 07, 2016, 07:05:39 PM
Have to disagree with the Rolex Daytona assertion. The Paul Newman Daytonas weren't hot when they came out. But they were already hot in the 80s once they saw Paul Newman wear it. One just sold on Hodinkee for more than 150k usd. Of course, this is the Daytona using the Valjoux 72 movement. A proven workhorse. Look at my instagram ID :)

Vintage Heuers are the bee's knees. Tag Heuer... meh.
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: Watched on June 07, 2016, 08:22:26 PM
I think most of the luxury brand have 50% to 70% resell value
Title: Re: Bad value for money watches/brands...and why?
Post by: spacewalker on June 07, 2016, 10:42:58 PM
Bad value for money is subjective. For me, when I have to pay at premium price for the watch with the basic movement watch. No chronometre no special escapement, power reserve is about average i.e 40 hrs and basic movement finishing. For that kind of watch you pay a lot only for the something written or engrave on the dial. yes . The brand. I'm not a watchmaker, my opinion are based on my experience and my own perspective.