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Title: Rolex waiting list
Post by: tim.thavi on August 02, 2018, 11:47:25 AM
Hi MWF sifus,

I would like to know whether it is still possible to walk into any boutique in Malaysia and be asked to put my name on a waiting list for a popular SS sport model?

My experience is:
-I have tried asking one of the local AD in Lot10 and that one required you to spend X amount before they allocate a waiting slot for you.
-I bought a watch from airport before and I asked the seller to help me put on a waiting list but the person was not very helpful unfortunately.

So i'm wondering if I can try get on waiting list anywhere else. I don't want to just buy a watch for the sake of establishing a new relationship with a dealer. I know the super hot SS model is probably no hope but i'm hoping i can get on the no date sub-c list at least.

Would like to hear your view! Thanks!
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: spayre on August 02, 2018, 06:12:12 PM
Hi MWF sifus,

I would like to know whether it is still possible to walk into any boutique in Malaysia and be asked to put my name on a waiting list for a popular SS sport model?

My experience is:
-I have tried asking one of the local AD in Lot10 and that one required you to spend X amount before they allocate a waiting slot for you.
-I bought a watch from airport before and I asked the seller to help me put on a waiting list but the person was not very helpful unfortunately.

So i'm wondering if I can try get on waiting list anywhere else. I don't want to just buy a watch for the sake of establishing a new relationship with a dealer. I know the super hot SS model is probably no hope but i'm hoping i can get on the no date sub-c list at least.

Would like to hear your view! Thanks!

You could try to call the AD listed on Rolex Malaysia website and ask whether you could join the waiting list for sub non date (if any). However, based on my experience

1. Got one ad ask me to spend rm100k on non popular Rolex model before I can gain access to sport model (I know, it's crazy. You could complain to Rolex Malaysia but I doubt it will help you...)

2. You managed to get into the list but the wait time is more than a year. They won't tell you which number you are just a simple sentence "you are on the list" (huh? How I know you not pulling my leg?)

3. The ones in airport generally don't accept waiting list as it's more first come first served basis

Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: G.MAC on August 02, 2018, 07:04:33 PM
At least you are being told that there is a waiting list or a way to get unto one. I tried to get on one but all the ADs i called up refused to admit there was a waiting list when i tried to get my name in for the Pepsi GMT a minute after it was announced at Baselworld. Happened for the Daytona as well. Pretty annoyed since and have sworn off dealing for the new Rolex models.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: tim.thavi on August 02, 2018, 08:22:44 PM
At least you are being told that there is a waiting list or a way to get unto one. I tried to get on one but all the ADs i called up refused to admit there was a waiting list when i tried to get my name in for the Pepsi GMT a minute after it was announced at Baselworld. Happened for the Daytona as well. Pretty annoyed since and have sworn off dealing for the new Rolex models.

Sorry to hear that...yes it is quite annoying I agree.

On the point about the airport being first come first serve. I have some doubt because say the KLIA shop is part of SWG. what is stopping them from keeping the SS model away from the shop and move them over to "key" customer who spend a lot on unpopular watch? Alternatively, I always think that there may be some practice that these SS models are only kept for grey market dealer who bulk buy both SS and less hot models. Anyway would be great to hear if anyone is ever lucky enough to just walk past airport and score themselves hot SS model. That would keep my hope up given I travel quite frequently.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: lamkinpark on August 02, 2018, 09:02:29 PM
I think we can forget about scoring a hot ss model from local AD, the best you may get from AD is a non date sub at the moment.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: davidtth on August 03, 2018, 06:48:53 AM
frankly speaking, AD do have stock, they kept to make the market demand grow higher, whatever reason they give they only wish to profit more from it

i wont pay premium price higher than retail
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: ethan89 on August 03, 2018, 10:17:26 AM
Rule of thumb, relationship between you and AD start from a datejust, still don't get what you desired, buy more datejust and eventually you will be offer one of your choice.  :thumbsup:

Joke aside, sad but true, there are no such thing as "waiting list" here in our local AD, they asked to put down your name or name card and period. You won't be able to tell how many more people are ahead of you, how long you need to wait, etc.

AD certainly got stocks and they only reserved to those top dog or oversea grey market.

Local secondary market or grey market are able to source me any hot SS models within an hour, submariner, new pepsi or even ceramic daytona, you named it, from their so called 'agent' or 'broker' and who are those agent?!

At the end of the day, Rolex is freaking easy to get if you willing to pay premium.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: tim.thavi on August 03, 2018, 10:37:44 AM
Rule of thumb, relationship between you and AD start from a datejust, still don't get what you desired, buy more datejust and eventually you will be offer one of your choice.  :thumbsup:

Joke aside, sad but true, there are no such thing as "waiting list" here in our local AD, they asked to put down your name or name card and period. You won't be able to tell how many more people are ahead of you, how long you need to wait, etc.

AD certainly got stocks and they only reserved to those top dog or oversea grey market.

Local secondary market or grey market are able to source me any hot SS models within an hour, submariner, new pepsi or even ceramic daytona, you named it, from their so called 'agent' or 'broker' and who are those agent?!

At the end of the day, Rolex is freaking easy to get if you willing to pay premium.

Well put...as i thought too. Premium it is haha.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: lamkinpark on August 03, 2018, 10:59:27 AM
Rule of thumb, relationship between you and AD start from a datejust, still don't get what you desired, buy more datejust and eventually you will be offer one of your choice.  :thumbsup:

Joke aside, sad but true, there are no such thing as "waiting list" here in our local AD, they asked to put down your name or name card and period. You won't be able to tell how many more people are ahead of you, how long you need to wait, etc.

AD certainly got stocks and they only reserved to those top dog or oversea grey market.

Local secondary market or grey market are able to source me any hot SS models within an hour, submariner, new pepsi or even ceramic daytona, you named it, from their so called 'agent' or 'broker' and who are those agent?!

At the end of the day, Rolex is freaking easy to get if you willing to pay premium.

Well put...as i thought too. Premium it is haha.

Well said @ethan89 , those hot SS model stock is always there, all the AD keep it and only sell it with premium to grey seller or agent.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: khairain on August 03, 2018, 12:10:14 PM
haha forget about it. Happen to me just recently 1 AD told me that I need to spend with them first before can consider to put in the waiting list and they even told me that the list is not a queue. When they have stock they will release first to their VVIP that has spend probably millions  >:( . Might as well just tell me there's no waiting list which is much more acceptable rather giving me that kind of remark.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: ethan89 on August 03, 2018, 01:34:58 PM
I would say every company implemented certain management hierarchy structure, Rolex AD to say the least.
I was told by a Rolex AD sales associate that some specific super hot models are being allocated only by their manager, he got no right to sell it.
In the flip side, a sale associate who is taking control of incoming stocks or relevant job also can call their relatives, siblings, cousins, good friends come and buy it whenever stocks arrived.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: lordscorp on August 04, 2018, 07:58:03 AM
When the buying stops so does the killing...  :Cheers:
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: chuahsky on August 04, 2018, 12:22:12 PM
Nowadays brand new sports Rolexes are very hard to get...I understand that this marketing strategy render the product more desirable...

But in the long run it might not be good for consumers...
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: anson Duncan on August 04, 2018, 03:49:15 PM
frankly speaking, AD do have stock, they kept to make the market demand grow higher, whatever reason they give they only wish to profit more from it

i wont pay premium price higher than retail


I agreed with this
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: Danielo on August 04, 2018, 06:31:17 PM
I plan to get my first Rolex next year.

It's a Submariner Date, either black or green.

For obvious reasons I would like to buy it at the offical dealer, probably at Pavilion Mall.

So unless they have it on display, they won't entertain me unless I pay that premium which they fabricate as 'market demand'?

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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: lordscorp on August 05, 2018, 09:59:44 AM
If you die die really want it then pay premium or buy a datejust at list price for the black submariner. For the green submariner you need to get at least two datejust at list price. (just get his and hers)

You probably can only do this if you are regular to your AD.

Lastly to save you all the trouble just pay premium from grey resellers.

Good luck...
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: Danielo on August 05, 2018, 12:07:59 PM
If dealers are doing this, it really is unprofessional.

This type of behavior is limited only to Malaysia?

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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: mongourou on August 05, 2018, 03:56:04 PM
A grey dealer offered me the models I wanted sourced from a local AD.

As most of us suspect, some ADs sell the hottest SS sport models with a small premium to the grey market dealers who then sell the watches with even a higher premium (a $10k watch becoming a $22k timepiece for example). Others are so unprofessional that they will ask clients to buy unpopular pieces before accessing the ones they want. I have visited few dealers and boutiques in the region and I have not experienced that. Just was told that the models were currently unavailable and that I should come back in a few weeks time (I am European and wonder if this could be a reason).

Apparently, the grey dealers also have to buy slow moving pieces from the ADs in order for the latter to show that they do more sales per year to the brand. Brands pay them “advertising commissions” based on the retailer’s annual sales volume. So that adds up to their yearly revenues.

I was wondering a way to complain to Rolex but I cannot even find an email address on their website. Only a phone number or the possibility to send them a written mail. Or I can pass by their service centre in Menara Dion but I doubt the ladies at the reception will give a toss about my complaints.

I might still do it to express my anger to what is currently happening here in Malaysia. But I suspect it happens in most of the other countries.



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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: Cocas on August 05, 2018, 04:18:11 PM
I have been to Malaysia , Singapore, Taiwan, and Vietnam Rolex outlets. All are out of sports model stock. All shopkeepers just replied me politely that they got no sports model stock. Not so sure about America and Europe, but I will say this is worldwide phenomenon.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: tim.thavi on August 05, 2018, 07:07:55 PM
I have been to Malaysia , Singapore, Taiwan, and Vietnam Rolex outlets. All are out of sports model stock. All shopkeepers just replied me politely that they got no sports model stock. Not so sure about America and Europe, but I will say this is worldwide phenomenon.

I can confirm this point based on my experience visiting ADs in hong kong, taiwan, japan and Thailand. Unfortunately it seems at least in Asia, this practice is now the standard. Im not sure how US and Europe is but basically grey market dealer are now controlling the market and the price.

How can a grey dealer 'sourcr' hottest ss models within hours? What is this source? This secondary market is unfortunately a product of demand supply and marketing strategy employed by Rolex. Im sure Rolex know this is happening but this is free market and as long as rolex benefit, why would they care?
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: spayre on August 05, 2018, 07:51:46 PM
I have been to Malaysia , Singapore, Taiwan, and Vietnam Rolex outlets. All are out of sports model stock. All shopkeepers just replied me politely that they got no sports model stock. Not so sure about America and Europe, but I will say this is worldwide phenomenon.

I can confirm this point based on my experience visiting ADs in hong kong, taiwan, japan and Thailand. Unfortunately it seems at least in Asia, this practice is now the standard. Im not sure how US and Europe is but basically grey market dealer are now controlling the market and the price.

How can a grey dealer 'sourcr' hottest ss models within hours? What is this source? This secondary market is unfortunately a product of demand supply and marketing strategy employed by Rolex. Im sure Rolex know this is happening but this is free market and as long as rolex benefit, why would they care?

Just speculating here... some may have relationship that has been formed many years (between the Rolex AD... maybe till the point that they also may have profit sharing)

And Rolex is not the only brand that suffers from grey market. Look at other luxury brands like Supreme. Supreme knows that many of their collection are being sold at higher price in the grey market and Supreme could easily increase their production to overcome it. But if Supreme did, it would tarnish the exclusivity of the brand. Same as Rolex, imagine if Rolex mass produce their watches at an alarming rate, would it still be desirable or highly sought after?

Unless you have a relationship with Rolex AD (that has been formed many moons ago), either you wait for your turn or look at grey market.

 
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: mongourou on August 05, 2018, 08:29:27 PM
I am not asking Rolex (or Supreme in this other scenario) to increase their production but to make sure that their products are not sold to grey dealers who will ask a 100% premium.

There is certainly a way for them to control how and to whom the watches are sold. They do not benefit financially from a watch being sold outside their network for a premium.

Only their image is tarnished with people having more money than sense buying them at those insane prices, to my eyes at least.


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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: spayre on August 06, 2018, 07:43:43 AM
Rolex did make some changes to their standard operating procedure
1. Warranty card is non transferable
2. Warranty card must be named (but you will see some AD enforcing this, just a matter of relationship)
3. Stickers are being removed upon purchase, some say its to detect the condition of the watch before it gets handed to the buyer but I don't believe that. I think it's being deployed to make it desirable for Grey market.

But no matter what Rolex employs, it hard not to see it floating back to the market. Who knows, maybe the next rule is to resize the bracelet upon purchase but it won't stop anyone to reattach the links back before selling it off...
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: ck77 on August 06, 2018, 08:32:28 AM
Rolex did make some changes to their standard operating procedure
1. Warranty card is non transferable
Just curios, where did you got the information?
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: WHEELQ on August 06, 2018, 09:09:31 AM
Yea, Rolex warranty is always transferable. i can attest to it as i juz asked the RSC 3mths back.

but of course the name on warranty card cannot be altered. means u cannot get a new card with ur name even if u bought the used Rolex that still covers by warranty.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: ethan89 on August 06, 2018, 09:20:31 AM
Ever since ROLEX restricted premium price and bundle sale from AD, they are kind of encouraged all sort of Grey Market trends.

When AD are forced to sell at MSRP, this is just furtherance the profit margin of those flippers who maintain very good relationship with them. Restrictions also forced AD to do everything "backdoor", I believe some AD in Hong Kong and China are still practicing bundled sale.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: mongourou on August 06, 2018, 09:25:03 AM
Just asked a grey dealer in KL about a 114060. Directly available, brand new and with warranty card activated and signed. Just have to add my name on it once paid for!


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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: ethan89 on August 06, 2018, 09:44:31 AM
Just asked a grey dealer in KL about a 114060. Directly available, brand new and with warranty card activated and signed. Just have to add my name on it once paid for!


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114060 is still possible to get from AD if you're patient / lucky enough.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: mongourou on August 06, 2018, 10:50:40 AM
Patience is not my strong suit .

But that is to illustrate that if you go with grey dealers, you can have what you want now whereas you won’t easily find one from a boutique or AD.

I will always prefer to buy a Rolex from a boutique or AD as anyway discounts are minimum wherever you buy it.


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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: tim.thavi on August 06, 2018, 02:37:25 PM
Just asked a grey dealer in KL about a 114060. Directly available, brand new and with warranty card activated and signed. Just have to add my name on it once paid for!


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114060 is still possible to get from AD if you're patient / lucky enough.

Really?, I don't mind no date sub-c. okay...let me try talk to some AD.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: spayre on August 06, 2018, 02:38:55 PM
Rolex did make some changes to their standard operating procedure
1. Warranty card is non transferable
Just curios, where did you got the information?

Your mileage might vary on this statement, so i should edit it by stating that there is no official Rolex statement on the warranty card but there are some forumers (from other watch forum) indicated that some rolex service center ask for proof of purchase to go with the warranty card. Granted I have not yet have the luxury to visit the KL Rolex Service centre, so I dont have exact confirmation here..

Some sources
1. hxxps://blog.toolwatch.io/watch-tips/rolex-warranty-policy-updated/
2. hxxps://www.reddit.com/r/Watches/comments/5ecqnk/rolex_updates_to_agreement_now_voids_rolex/
3. hxxps://www.rolexforums.com/archive/index.php/t-585504.html

But then again, when you purchase a rolex watch, you have 5 years warranty. The question is when it be official? tomorrow or never? Who knows.. :P
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: mongourou on August 06, 2018, 02:45:37 PM
Just asked a grey dealer in KL about a 114060. Directly available, brand new and with warranty card activated and signed. Just have to add my name on it once paid for!


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114060 is still possible to get from AD if you're patient / lucky enough.

Really?, I don't mind no date sub-c. okay...let me try talk to some AD.
Please let us know the results of your calls. That will be very informative.


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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: ethan89 on August 07, 2018, 08:46:00 AM
Just asked a grey dealer in KL about a 114060. Directly available, brand new and with warranty card activated and signed. Just have to add my name on it once paid for!


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114060 is still possible to get from AD if you're patient / lucky enough.

Really?, I don't mind no date sub-c. okay...let me try talk to some AD.
Please let us know the results of your calls. That will be very informative.


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Actually, for this specific model, price doesn't vary much between AD and Grey, probably just a few thousands, try nego more and seal the deal.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: mongourou on August 07, 2018, 08:58:34 AM
That’s correct. Price is similar. Only issue is to source one.


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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: ethan89 on August 07, 2018, 09:24:34 AM
That’s correct. Price is similar. Only issue is to source one.


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Yes, if it is on your shopping list and if you're able to encounter one, get it.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: anson Duncan on August 08, 2018, 02:28:55 PM
Is that Tudor also waiting list?
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: mongourou on August 08, 2018, 03:04:17 PM
Apparently there is a waiting list for the GMT. Not sure if the BB58 is available in Malaysia yet.


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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: tim.thavi on August 08, 2018, 03:12:16 PM
Yes. I think there is waiting list for GMT. But i suspect the demand should flatten out over next 12 months. Unless Tudor went full rolex. As for BB58, i heard it also has arrived but the waiting list is very short. Not surprised given its not a drastic design change from the current BB.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: D'Andy on August 08, 2018, 07:30:36 PM
Rolex did make some changes to their standard operating procedure
1. Warranty card is non transferable
2. Warranty card must be named (but you will see some AD enforcing this, just a matter of relationship)
3. Stickers are being removed upon purchase, some say its to detect the condition of the watch before it gets handed to the buyer but I don't believe that. I think it's being deployed to make it desirable for Grey market.

But no matter what Rolex employs, it hard not to see it floating back to the market. Who knows, maybe the next rule is to resize the bracelet upon purchase but it won't stop anyone to reattach the links back before selling it off...

1) No such practise locally. Feel free to call Rolex Malaysia to confirm on this.
2 and 3) It depends on your relationship with the ADs. They were encouraged to name the cards and remove the stickers to prevent the watches from going to the grey market. But I could show you lots of current pieces that I purchased that were unnamed and with full stickers.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: wateveritis on August 10, 2018, 12:32:22 PM
anyone happen to visit so-called the world largest Rolex boutique in Dubai? Maybe also on waiting list but probably waiting time is shorter.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: chuahsky on August 21, 2018, 06:59:24 AM
Rolex is doing a great job building their brand here..but when demand is way too much higher than supply things normally will go wrong from here..

 
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: koryong on August 21, 2018, 08:36:01 PM
Demand has always been high as far back as I can remember. Supply is the actual problem now where certain models are "choked" hence creating artificial demand or popularity etc. It's a great strategy & free publicity for them ...
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: forniter on August 22, 2018, 08:38:42 AM
i was offered a GMT steel, but i must purchase other watches in order to get the GMT. sigh
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: wateveritis on August 22, 2018, 12:13:44 PM
i was offered a GMT steel, but i must purchase other watches in order to get the GMT. sigh

Not bad, at least no need to be on waiting list.


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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: mongourou on August 22, 2018, 05:23:41 PM
i was offered a GMT steel, but i must purchase other watches in order to get the GMT. sigh

Not bad, at least no need to be on waiting list.


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Not bad? That sounds like extortion to me.


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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: ver1600d on August 22, 2018, 10:33:41 PM
I was in Singapore last week with a rich but non-collector friend who has no interest in watches apart from the prestige aspect. He wanted either a  Rolex or a Patek Phillipe, so I convinced him that only sport watch range f these two brands are worth wearing. We went to Hour Glass, Cortina and then the official Rolex and Patek  boutiques in Orchard Rd.  Nothing was available - even the official Patek shop in Ion shrugged when we asked for Nautilus or Aquanaut. It was the same story with GMT Master, Sky Dweller, Subbie, Explorer - we only got to see the brochures. This phenomena is throughout Asia and really, only these 2 brands can get away with such snobbish behavior.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: tim.thavi on August 22, 2018, 10:42:01 PM
I was in Singapore last week with a rich but non-collector friend who has no interest in watches apart from the prestige aspect. He wanted either a  Rolex or a Patek Phillipe, so I convinced him that only sport watch range f these two brands are worth wearing. We went to Hour Glass, Cortina and then the official Rolex and Patek  boutiques in Orchard Rd.  Nothing was available - even the official Patek shop in Ion shrugged when we asked for Nautilus or Aquanaut. It was the same story with GMT Master, Sky Dweller, Subbie, Explorer - we only got to see the brochures. This phenomena is throughout Asia and really, only these 2 brands can get away with such snobbish behavior.

Bad luck. But yes i have been to enough rolex boutiques in Thailand, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Taiwan, Japan and u wont ever find popular steel sport models. Exception is explorer i, explorer ii, milgauss and Yacht master II. I have gotten a fatigue already.

Btw i hope ur friend werent expecting to walk in and just buy the PP 5711? Becuz lol getting it in a boutique without some special connection or 5 plus years waiting is literally 0 chance.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: lamkinpark on August 23, 2018, 08:09:11 AM
Yesterday I pass by garden's AD, walk in and not even a single sport model can be seen.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: flatcap200 on August 23, 2018, 08:46:41 AM
i was offered a GMT steel, but i must purchase other watches in order to get the GMT. sigh

Not bad, at least no need to be on waiting list.


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Not bad? That sounds like extortion to me.


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Agreed. This is a form of bundling disallowed under Malaysian competition law.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: mongourou on August 23, 2018, 09:24:30 AM
i was offered a GMT steel, but i must purchase other watches in order to get the GMT. sigh

Not bad, at least no need to be on waiting list.


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Not bad? That sounds like extortion to me.


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Agreed. This is a form of bundling disallowed under Malaysian competition law.
Could be interesting to record the conversation with an AD asking for such practice and then inform the relevant authorities. You might get your watch of choice immediately.

I am starting to think it might really be interesting to try


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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: Danielo on August 23, 2018, 09:29:35 AM
Puts me off buying a Rolex.

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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: tim.thavi on August 23, 2018, 10:44:26 AM
Hmmm im sure its very difficult to use the law against this practice. But happy to know if it can actually be done.

Btw just wanted to also say that supply isnt fairly choked. It is only choked for ordinary people but if u follow Instagram, you will see a handful of people with literally half dozen of daytona, GMT master, subs so...yeah. just need to have money or know the right people.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: ggprime on August 31, 2018, 02:47:47 PM
when i wanna buy submariner, i put my name under most AD waiting list...
for a year, no one called me yet.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: forniter on September 02, 2018, 09:08:00 PM
what's even more disappointing is that when you walk in to an AD and ask for something like the Submariner HULK,

Waiting list 3 to 10 years, but from a grey dealer, place a deposit, ready to collect in 2 weeks. most of these grey dealers on facebook i believe have a very close connection with the ADs.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: wateveritis on September 14, 2018, 12:31:37 AM
Walked into a Rolex in Abu Dhabi, submariner need to wait a bit but not long waiting list and no need buy any other watch. Anyway, the lady happily show me the GMT ;)

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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: Chris Yap on September 17, 2018, 09:38:28 PM
I just walked into a PP boutique in London last few days asking for a nautilus (any model), the sales rep said you had to buy 2 core models before they could offer it.


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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: tim.thavi on September 17, 2018, 09:44:02 PM
I just walked into a PP boutique in London last few days asking for a nautilus (any model), the sales rep said you had to buy 2 core models before they could offer it.


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Thanks for sharing. May i know whether this include the ladies nautilus as well?

And what is refer to as core models?
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: Chris Yap on September 17, 2018, 10:54:26 PM
I didn’t ask for ladies Nautilus but I didn’t see them on display as well. As for the core models, that means their range of watches on display.


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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: WatchAmateur on September 18, 2018, 12:36:29 AM
I just walked into a PP boutique in London last few days asking for a nautilus (any model), the sales rep said you had to buy 2 core models before they could offer it.


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what are the core models?
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: bulletnos on September 23, 2018, 03:57:45 PM
my friend just got his Explorer 1 214270 about a month ago from KLIA 2...

he also mentioned that he saw a Sub no-date 114060 in Changi Airport Rolex AD about 2 months ago...after conversion about RM27-28k.

Seems like we can score a bit better at the airports...

I got my 114060 from Rolex Pavilion early last year...they had 2 that time!
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: lee882888 on September 27, 2018, 08:32:24 PM
I heard Pavillion rolex stopped taking names as the Sales representatives said even late last year's name is still in the waiting list, for the subby and daytona
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: tim.thavi on October 07, 2018, 04:45:01 PM
Anyone know whether the ladies model for Patek Philippe is also waiting list? For example, aquanaut 5067A
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: bjorkqvist.h on October 07, 2018, 05:35:19 PM
I have heard from several grey dealers that they get the popular Rolex Sports watches early by committing to buy another high ticket less popular model that AD is having trouble getting rid off... Not the most professional SOP =(
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: mongourou on October 07, 2018, 05:52:37 PM
Until Rolex and the other big ones figure out a way of tracking to whom their watches are really sold and start penalizing the ADs selling hot models (combined with models they do not manage to sell fast) to the grey market, we are stuck in this situation.


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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: bjorkqvist.h on October 08, 2018, 08:01:42 PM
Indeed, but I would be surprised if Rolex doesn't know. So what would then be the reason for them not taking action? Maybe they see it as necessary help to the ADs to support in sell out of less popular models?

I also believe there is a certain list of people that buy frequently from AD (end consumer) who also get shortlisted for new hot models.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: sew2828 on October 10, 2018, 07:19:33 PM
Hi MWF sifus,

I would like to know whether it is still possible to walk into any boutique in Malaysia and be asked to put my name on a waiting list for a popular SS sport model?

My experience is:
-I have tried asking one of the local AD in Lot10 and that one required you to spend X amount before they allocate a waiting slot for you.
-I bought a watch from airport before and I asked the seller to help me put on a waiting list but the person was not very helpful unfortunately.

So i'm wondering if I can try get on waiting list anywhere else. I don't want to just buy a watch for the sake of establishing a new relationship with a dealer. I know the super hot SS model is probably no hope but i'm hoping i can get on the no date sub-c list at least.

Would like to hear your view! Thanks!

I don't think you can get one by waiting list in Malaysia. Do you think it is possible?
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: tim.thavi on October 13, 2018, 11:05:54 PM
Wonder if anyone here ever got a call from the AD after they have been supposedly 'put' on a waiting list?

I just saw some video on youtube channel run by a young and new watch enthusiast and he just got a call from AD for his Rolex Batman. He is based in UK and got it from Bucherer, wonder if UK has legitimate waiting list. While Malaysia is just imaginery list...
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: ethan89 on October 13, 2018, 11:11:50 PM
Wonder if anyone here ever got a call from the AD after they have been supposedly 'put' on a waiting list?

I just saw some video on youtube channel run by a young and new watch enthusiast and he just got a call from AD for his Rolex Batman. He is based in UK and got it from Bucherer, wonder if UK has legitimate waiting list. While Malaysia is just imaginery list...
B&J eh? Really happy for him since he usually acquired used pieces and now he can finally bought a brand new one.



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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: tim.thavi on October 13, 2018, 11:15:57 PM
Wonder if anyone here ever got a call from the AD after they have been supposedly 'put' on a waiting list?

I just saw some video on youtube channel run by a young and new watch enthusiast and he just got a call from AD for his Rolex Batman. He is based in UK and got it from Bucherer, wonder if UK has legitimate waiting list. While Malaysia is just imaginery list...
B&J eh? Really happy for him since he usually acquired used pieces and now he can finally bought a brand new one.



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Haha spot on. Bark and Jack. Yes happy for him too and he was damn excited. I would be too if an AD call me up for the watch i want but i think thats just a dream, at least in Malaysia.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: ethan89 on October 13, 2018, 11:19:30 PM
Wonder if anyone here ever got a call from the AD after they have been supposedly 'put' on a waiting list?

I just saw some video on youtube channel run by a young and new watch enthusiast and he just got a call from AD for his Rolex Batman. He is based in UK and got it from Bucherer, wonder if UK has legitimate waiting list. While Malaysia is just imaginery list...
B&J eh? Really happy for him since he usually acquired used pieces and now he can finally bought a brand new one.



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Haha spot on. Bark and Jack. Yes happy for him too and he was damn excited. I would be too if an AD call me up for the watch i want but i think thats just a dream, at least in Malaysia.
Worth trying bro, just leave your name in every AD here in Malaysia and wait. Haha.


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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: tim.thavi on October 13, 2018, 11:25:24 PM
Wonder if anyone here ever got a call from the AD after they have been supposedly 'put' on a waiting list?

I just saw some video on youtube channel run by a young and new watch enthusiast and he just got a call from AD for his Rolex Batman. He is based in UK and got it from Bucherer, wonder if UK has legitimate waiting list. While Malaysia is just imaginery list...
B&J eh? Really happy for him since he usually acquired used pieces and now he can finally bought a brand new one.



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Haha spot on. Bark and Jack. Yes happy for him too and he was damn excited. I would be too if an AD call me up for the watch i want but i think thats just a dream, at least in Malaysia.
Worth trying bro, just leave your name in every AD here in Malaysia and wait. Haha.


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Thanks man. I pretty much did that already, leaving names everywhere but until I really hear positive story from others about their waitlist experience, I don't feel any hope.

Just looking at pre owned nowadays.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: cn9a on November 01, 2018, 11:27:37 PM
It is a worldwide phenomenon, and from what I know, Rolex has no interest to stop this phenomenon because this is exactly what they want to achieve. Note that the following is shared by a sales rep who used to work in a Rolex AD in America.

As a Rolex AD, you are required to buy a certain numbers of each model for every fixed period of time (Rolex sales rep visits periodically, he even said everyone in the shop will take extra care of their outlook the day he/she visits), else AD will risk to have Rolex take away their distributorship (an AD who used to carry Rolex can't survive without it, basically most of their customer base is built around Rolex), and usually they will push you a lot of non-popular model along with a few popular SS sports model. And now AD being a company needs to cash in excess stock to survive, so they use the same method to push their excess watch to grey market dealers (eg. 20 datejust with 1 Hulk purchase as a package).

Rolex basically creates an artificial shortage of supply and this maximize their profit while making their watch more prestige. So yeah the truth is this is their core marketing stretegy, and they do have the brand strength play this game and to capitalize on this so good for them (and probably those of us who wears a Rolex SS Sport Watch as this is one of the reason you are buying their watch anyways). So here you go, Rolex is the reason that this is a phenomenon in the first place.

This actually reminds me of Hermes, they are in a different league comparing to Rolex. You will never find a birkin in any Hermes you visit, instead you need to "flirt" with their sales rep and buy at least the same value of stuff (vs the bag you want) the first few times you visit in order to the opportunity to pick up a call on one fine day from your sales rep asking you to come in and view a limited selection of birkins (they probably only let you choose 2-3 colors of bag, take it or leave it), and at this point you will still need to spend more money on accessories such a scarf for your new birkin to make your sales rep happy in order to get lucky next time. Why I say flirt is because you can't tell them directly what you want, you need to hint to the sales rep, and they will hint you back, which is like in a relationship, keep you guessing at all times. Well knowing this I'm happy that I'm a simple man with simple need to own a Sub. This goes to show how good a saver our ex-prime minister's wife was to afford all of this hahaha
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: Cocas on November 02, 2018, 05:12:31 AM
Seems like the only way to stop all this is that we all just stop buying any SS Sport model.
With that hopefully the supply is over demand someday in the future.  :Cheers:
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: ethan89 on November 02, 2018, 06:01:56 AM
It is a worldwide phenomenon, and from what I know, Rolex has no interest to stop this phenomenon because this is exactly what they want to achieve. Note that the following is shared by a sales rep who used to work in a Rolex AD in America.

As a Rolex AD, you are required to buy a certain numbers of each model for every fixed period of time (Rolex sales rep visits periodically, he even said everyone in the shop will take extra care of their outlook the day he/she visits), else AD will risk to have Rolex take away their distributorship (an AD who used to carry Rolex can't survive without it, basically most of their customer base is built around Rolex), and usually they will push you a lot of non-popular model along with a few popular SS sports model. And now AD being a company needs to cash in excess stock to survive, so they use the same method to push their excess watch to grey market dealers (eg. 20 datejust with 1 Hulk purchase as a package).

Rolex basically creates an artificial shortage of supply and this maximize their profit while making their watch more prestige. So yeah the truth is this is their core marketing stretegy, and they do have the brand strength play this game and to capitalize on this so good for them (and probably those of us who wears a Rolex SS Sport Watch as this is one of the reason you are buying their watch anyways). So here you go, Rolex is the reason that this is a phenomenon in the first place.

This actually reminds me of Hermes, they are in a different league comparing to Rolex. You will never find a birkin in any Hermes you visit, instead you need to "flirt" with their sales rep and buy at least the same value of stuff (vs the bag you want) the first few times you visit in order to the opportunity to pick up a call on one fine day from your sales rep asking you to come in and view a limited selection of birkins (they probably only let you choose 2-3 colors of bag, take it or leave it), and at this point you will still need to spend more money on accessories such a scarf for your new birkin to make your sales rep happy in order to get lucky next time. Why I say flirt is because you can't tell them directly what you want, you need to hint to the sales rep, and they will hint you back, which is like in a relationship, keep you guessing at all times. Well knowing this I'm happy that I'm a simple man with simple need to own a Sub. This goes to show how good a saver our ex-prime minister's wife was to afford all of this hahaha
This man know the game quite well. The Hermès buying guide is spot on. The 1:1 bundle is easier. Rolex somehow is much more difficult Imo. My wife already buying her second berkin or kelly (bought a lindy and others stuffs) but I’ve yet to hear from my Rolex sale associate albeit I’ve purchase record.


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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: lisa hasan on November 03, 2018, 07:55:25 AM
Good thread to read. Thanks for sharing valuable info !


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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: Hy8ogen on November 03, 2018, 05:04:47 PM
This bullshit is exactly why I refuse to buy Rolex. Their practice is beyond disgusting.

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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: Stv77 on November 12, 2018, 08:47:58 AM
im waiting for my rolex pepsi
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: dpkong on November 12, 2018, 11:16:06 AM

Rolex, like any other luxury goods manufacturer, knows there exists a large, growing market of young money spenders who don't really have to go through the hardship of making money. They don't ask about RRP and the only reason to buy a timepiece is to stay current with the pack. Price is not an issue.

This is the best way to raise Rolex from a tool watch company to the luxury segment.

Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: Henry T on November 14, 2018, 11:17:47 AM
It is a case of too many people chasing after too few goods. That's how flippers can sell sport models with a huge premium.

Forget about getting on the waiting list because there are many more people ahead of you.

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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: Henry T on November 14, 2018, 11:19:00 AM
I just walked into a PP boutique in London last few days asking for a nautilus (any model), the sales rep said you had to buy 2 core models before they could offer it.


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Yes, they sell in bundles now. LOL.

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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: Henry T on November 14, 2018, 11:37:37 AM
Other options are:

1) Buy SS models from grey market at a premium or

2) Buy the two tone or gold models at retail price. You may even be able to get some discount.

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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: wateveritis on November 15, 2018, 08:37:41 AM
It’s easier to get the sub or gmt from UAE. Starting this 18th Nov, tourist can get back 4.25% VAT refund. So it will be worth if you happen to be shopping in UAE. Try visit the flagship store in Dubai Mall, it’s definitely worth visit with great and friendly service.


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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: keheng91 on November 21, 2018, 10:40:54 AM
Actually waiting list is a fake. I’ve got a friend working inside Rolex. They said if u spent plenty of money or u have good connection with the manager. U can get any watch easily.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: mopiko on December 07, 2018, 08:07:13 AM
Other options are:

1) Buy SS models from grey market at a premium or

2) Buy the two tone or gold models at retail price. You may even be able to get some discount.

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I agree that this is the route that ppl is force to take...'sadly'
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: mongourou on February 11, 2019, 08:22:33 PM
Just came back from Europe via Amsterdam.

At the Schiphol airport, they had a Yach Master II in yellow gold, a Yach Master 40 in platinum, an Air King and... euh no that’s all of course.

The two ladies there spend their days telling men entering the shop that they have nothing to sell.


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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: premiergin88 on February 12, 2019, 04:30:28 AM
I didn’t know it was so difficult to buy a Rolex submariner.  Was thinking of selling mine but now may just keep it
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: haziqdzafer on February 12, 2019, 06:13:53 PM
 ;D luckily i can only afford their poster. jk
with respect to rolex, they are trying to control customer from flipping their watches.
in my humble opinion, rolex knows better to control the market than omega various speedmaster and limited editions.
playing hard to get, maybe thats why women like rolex  :Dancing_banana:
all the best on getting ur rolex sir. dont forget to update us in watch reviews  :Cheers:
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: BMOONZ77 on February 13, 2019, 12:24:39 PM
Thanks for sharing.
I was in London end of last year and visited at lease 4 AD. No luck and don't even put you on waiting list unless you are local citizen. Then i was in Geneva airport, also no luck.
After seeing all the above sifu's comments, looks like you need to spend more either on AD or Grey market.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: hadi9802 on February 13, 2019, 03:40:50 PM
Just got back from Houston. Can book Explorer I or Explorer II, Submariner no-date, GMT Black with 50% deposit at AD - waiting list only 4-6 weeks.


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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: hadi9802 on February 13, 2019, 03:44:55 PM
Also in Schiphol airport Amsterdam, they had Batman & Hulk at their AD just the day before I was there. Just missed it!

But of course, gone within 20 mins after they displayed it.


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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: cosh417 on February 13, 2019, 05:34:56 PM
With the right relationship with an AD no matter where in the world can get you SS models. However, in Malaysia there is no way in getting a SS model if you are an average joe.

Cheeky mention, I have a new GMT 2 Black if anybody is interested in grabbing of my hands.  :)

Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: ExplorerII on February 14, 2019, 03:47:43 AM
when i wanna buy submariner, i put my name under most AD waiting list...
for a year, no one called me yet.

I am shocked. I bought my sub nd ceramic about several years back. Walked into the Rolex Penang and bought it without any issues. If i remember correctly they had Subs, GMTs, SDs, and SeaDwellers on display! And several of each!
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: BMOONZ77 on February 14, 2019, 06:40:26 AM
when i wanna buy submariner, i put my name under most AD waiting list...
for a year, no one called me yet.

I am shocked. I bought my sub nd ceramic about several years back. Walked into the Rolex Penang and bought it without any issues. If i remember correctly they had Subs, GMTs, SDs, and SeaDwellers on display! And several of each!

Mind to share which location? Worth to drop by trying luck...
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: kk72 on February 14, 2019, 02:39:04 PM
Encountered with min spending for 60k and 100k above for Rolex S.S Sports model.

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Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: ExplorerII on February 14, 2019, 03:49:03 PM
when i wanna buy submariner, i put my name under most AD waiting list...
for a year, no one called me yet.

I am shocked. I bought my sub nd ceramic about several years back. Walked into the Rolex Penang and bought it without any issues. If i remember correctly they had Subs, GMTs, SDs, and SeaDwellers on display! And several of each!

Mind to share which location? Worth to drop by trying luck...

It was the Paragon branch....
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: yewjin on February 20, 2019, 12:51:51 PM
My guess is that was several years ago. Walked into Hour Glass yesterday and they had zero sports watch except for the Yatchmaster - 2. Apparently a lot of complains were raised to Rolex and they are following the lists of waiting lists and is done by their management. This being said the list is years long with so little pieces coming in on a yearly basis.

Patek Philippe however - the management decides which pieces go to who in their lists.

Thats what I have been told.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: gibsonforever on February 23, 2019, 02:46:09 PM
Same here. Been hunting for a SubC lately with no luck so far. Some AD don’t even have a waiting list.
According to them is first come first served. On the display only have datejust, OP and more datejust.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: max1984 on March 12, 2019, 05:08:57 PM
Rolex waiting list is a joke, they will give priority only to the VIP.  It's an insult to actual Rolex lovers.
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: jamestan119 on March 27, 2019, 09:40:22 PM
rolex pavilllion need to wait more than 3 years for sport model...duh
Title: Re: Rolex waiting list
Post by: tcken on March 27, 2019, 10:15:09 PM
there's no waiting list. the only way is to buy unpopular models to get sports models.  :Scolding: